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TOOL Frontman Sounds Off On Illegal Downloading, Music Industry And Digital Distribution - Jan. 24, 2013
Maynard James Keenan (TOOL, A PERFECT CIRCLE, PUSCIFER) recently gave a lengthy interview to Jason P. Woodbury of Phoenix New Times. A few excerpts from the chat follow below.

On his upcoming autobiography:

Maynard: "I think there are a lot of misconceptions with some people that, all of a sudden, I was born when my first band came out. I actually had a life before that, and there were a lot of accomplishments. [The book] will kind of chronicle why it is I got to where I am, and why I got to where you knew about me."

On illegal music downloading:

Maynard: "There's a disconnect between people not buying music and not understanding why [bands] go away. There are people who are like monkeys in a cage just hitting the coke button. They don't really get that for [musicians and artists] to do these things, they have to fund them. They have to have something to pay the rent."

On the future of the music industry:

Maynard: "It's going to have to default back to people who are willing to do more work for less money, basically. You have to kind of do it out of love, and doing it by living within your means and getting to an end of what you want to do, other than worrying about 401(k)s and insurance and all that crap that comes with being paid by someone else [so] you [can] coast."

"The illusion is gone. There's no longer blank checkbooks. I remember playing a show ages ago, where HELMET got offered a [record deal worth a] million dollars. Oh, my God! A million dollars. Of course, all that did was make every other band with ego throw its dicks on the table and say, 'Well, I want a million five.' 'Well, I want two million; I'm more popular.' There was never any rhyme or reason to what those numbers ended up translating to at the end of the day.

"If you go back and track what somebody actually paid for something, it's not nearly as dialed-in as, say, a video-game corporation saying, 'No, we're going to sell exactly this many units of this game.' It was never that calculated. The people running [the business] weren't qualified to run it."

On embracing digital distribution:

Maynard: "I don't know, I feel like I'm kind of torn. There's two sides of my brain fighting with each other. There's something about connecting with that physical piece of property, and also things you don't know about.

"When you download the song, there's nothing. Sometimes it comes with a booklet, sometimes it comes with an image, but usually it doesn't. It's just this disconnected thing that you can't touch and feel and experience. [There are] other nuances to the songs.
Some images and artwork that are totally connected and related to the song you're hearing, and you make the connection by seeing that image, and it completes the joke or completes the thought; that's a little disconnected. However, as an independent project — no funding, no record label, no underwriters, nothing — the whole digital route is a lot more sustainable. You're not wasting a lot of paper or plastic products, except for the manufacturing of computers, which apparently go out of date every week. Thank you very much, Apple. But you're able to get that music out there and have a direct connection to who you're selling it to — and actually fund your project.

"We have our own thing figured out. I think that's how the pieces are going to settle into place. It's going to default back to people who want to do this and are willing to do this. Once people find their own way and find their own audience, they might kind of peek their head up over the crowd long enough to see that there's an entire movement happening, and we did it individually.

"It's critical mass; it all disseminates in a way that you go, 'Oh, this is the new thing now.' People just did it naturally, and people just did it in their own ways, in their lines and their mediums and surroundings. They'll all step back and realize they've all come to the same place."

Read the entire interview from Phoenix New Times.

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posted by : Furywhip
1/24/2013 3:10:17 PM
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This band is becoming more and more irrelevant.


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posted by : Dubya90
1/24/2013 3:11:05 PM
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Nicely spoken.


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COMMENT | No money in music?
posted by : Black waterPark
1/24/2013 3:15:58 PM
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Good thing he bought a vineyard with his millons. He has NOTHING to complain about.


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COMMENT | 'RE: No money in music?'
posted by : WeAreLegion
1/24/2013 3:37:13 PM
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I'm pretty sure he's speaking about bands that are just starting out as well. So, no... there is no money in music for unknown bands. Also, I don't think he's complaining so much as he's describing how he sees the current state of affairs in the music industry.


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posted by : Sadistikexekution
1/24/2013 3:23:23 PM
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Who is this tool?


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posted by : JHill
1/24/2013 3:24:20 PM
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Very down-to-earth assessment for a guy with a big band. Artists need benefactors, and if they don't get them, they have to get jobs. Not hard to figure out, but people think the obscure bands they love can just keep pumping out music to be stolen.


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COMMENT | Not bad, but...
posted by : Tymell
1/24/2013 3:34:23 PM
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Like a lot of assessments, it skips over/is ignorant of subtler points.

Yes, illegal downloading is bad (m'kay), but at the same time the internet has helped music to grow -immensely-. Certainly within the world of metal there are more bands and albums coming out every year, precisely because it's now so much easier to put your music out there and be discovered by potential fans.

It's not perfect, but the situation is still better off as it is.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Not bad, but...'
posted by : JJJB
1/25/2013 8:13:57 AM
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Yeah, more bands and albums coming out every year......
THAT SUCK !!!



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COMMENT | How about
posted by : satanslittlehelper
1/24/2013 3:49:56 PM
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Just put out a new Tool album, no Puscifer, no APC, no wines, just Tool.


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COMMENT | Right but wrong
posted by : walkingbeard
1/24/2013 4:17:04 PM
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This guy sings in a band that is very much attached to visual art as well as music (Tool). They've been lucky enough to be able to fund that side of things from the success of their music. But for normal bands, I don't see that things have changed that much. You always had to do it for the love, and for the briefest moment, a few bands that weren't absolutely the most popular were able to live off records and record companies. But now, big bands have to do what small bands always have done, and what big bands used to do - tour and tour to make their money. Boo fucking hoo that you have to do work to make it as a musician. Boo fucking hoo that you have to give up things you love and go on the road. Everyone else has to make sacrifices when they go to work.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Right but wrong'
posted by : WeAreLegion
1/24/2013 4:30:28 PM
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I don't quite get who the "boo hoo"'s are directed at? I don't think Maynard was complaining. He was simply stating the facts as he sees them, especially for bands just starting out.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Right but wrong'
posted by : SkyLoLow
1/25/2013 8:29:17 AM
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It's a lot harder then just go and tour to make money and put the work in.

Labels aren't putting money into bands to market them. Labels are more concerned about Top 40 acts that sell singles. Today they rarely care about a band like Sevendust for example. So a lot of bands are stuck on minor labels that don't have the resoures to market bands. Sure they can get some spin on some rock stations and satellite radio but thats about it, some pull to get them on a tour package. Even touring now is different. So many bands are scraping to get money that if your an up and coming band your headliner or headliners chew up most of the money. Basically you go on tour for next to nothing. It's a shitty business from all aspects right now.

Personally I blame a majority of it on the front door of the major labels. They didn't have the foresight to see how the internet was going to change the landscape of there industry. Instead of embrassing it and using it to there(and the artist) favor they fought it tooth and nail. Today there in shambles and lost most of there power.



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COMMENT | Autobiography?!?
posted by : The Patient
1/24/2013 4:26:31 PM
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Keenan is writing an autobiography? Man, times have changed.

Good too see he has loosened up over the years.


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COMMENT | I wonder
posted by : Manish
1/24/2013 4:32:03 PM
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When did making music become more about making money than having fun? If making music is what you love then fucking do it!...

Just don't expect it to become an income just beacuse evry other "rockstar" these days whine about how much money they loose.
Use the fucking money that you have earn and invest them.

It's sure as shit doesn't come as a surprise that record sales have become less than it was 20 years ago.
Unless you have a very yes saying management.
Well, Don't live over your expenses then and book studios for 20k per day.






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COMMENT | 'RE: I wonder'
posted by : BabyKiller
1/24/2013 7:51:44 PM
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"When did making music become more about making money than having fun?" Hahaha! So ignorant and naive on so many levels.


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posted by : syko kyd
1/24/2013 4:53:21 PM
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The only bands I ever see complaining about donwloading and the changes in the music industry are the older bands that became millionaires under the old system. The newer bands have been able to adapt and some have become successful.


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posted by : YodaAct666
1/24/2013 5:31:46 PM
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It's hard to pay rent when you don't tour and have a new record out, hint hint.


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posted by : YodaAct666
1/24/2013 5:32:46 PM
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I also agree that this band is past it's prime.


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posted by : taoboxer9
1/24/2013 6:35:29 PM
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Helmet > Tool


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posted by : stop having kids
1/24/2013 7:09:47 PM
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TOOLS amazing. When or if they put another album out, its going to sell millions.


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COMMENT | It just too bad
posted by : RedZombie
1/24/2013 7:17:26 PM
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that Helmet won't sell millions. Tool takes too long, i'm losing interest.


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COMMENT | Tool have
posted by : Viscera606
1/24/2013 8:42:23 PM
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a pretty good track record.

Six years is a long time,
but you know it's going to be good.

Patience patients.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Tool have'
posted by : RiotAct666
1/24/2013 10:06:23 PM
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It is 7 years now. Last Tool CD came out in 2006.


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posted by : RiotAct666
1/24/2013 10:06:51 PM
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Well said by MJK.


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posted by : Adveser
1/24/2013 11:45:46 PM
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No one wants to address the elephant in the room that lossy audio is complete garbage. There are numerous demonstrations online that will make this abundantly obvious. There are numerous scientific studies that prove your brain prefers lossless because truncating the frequency range of audio eliminates the portion of audio that makes it sound realistic sounding, resolves notes so the pitch is more defined, ect. There are tons of reasons I don't have time to discuss that MP3 is not a reasonable means of reproducing audio and the theory on which the codec itself is built is flawed if not fraudulent.

I wish bands cared about this, but they don't. I have never once heard a musician say they are pissed off about downloading because of the quality or they refused to do business with Apple, et al. because of this concern. I've heard quite the opposite, with Lars actually calling 128Kbps 1997 quality MP3's equivalent to the master tapes.

This entire "loudness war" bullshit myth Steve Hoffman started is not the issue. His lemmings believe that less than a tenth of a percent of the dynamic range being compressed to more accurately use bit depth (which furthers the high frequency content as a side effect) is actually an issue. Your albums sound like shit because they have to EQ them to sound good after becoming MP3's and have to jack up the treble so it doesn't get wiped out on the conversion. Your records sound like shit because 9/10th of the information required to reproduce the audio signal is missing.

The disconnect Maynard, is not with the artwork or other goofy concerns, it's that the music is being presented in ways that are far below any standards previously set.


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posted by : skadi09
1/25/2013 1:12:33 AM
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He has a point, the only time I ever buy a CD is at the venue I see a band in, and even then I only buy it if it's some kind of deluxe edition with a DVD or something.


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posted by : Kingcrimsonprog
1/25/2013 6:37:21 AM
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I still buy CDs.
I don't care so much if the band profit from them or not, I like the actual CDs.

Sometimes people in band's act too entitled to earn a living doing it, when artists in other mediums who are more talented never get to make a living out of their art.

Also however, sometimes fans get so stupid and defensive about illegal downloads and insult or diminish any artist who simply wishes they had more money, just so the fat lazy cheapskates don't have to feel bad about breaking the rules.

I wish people could just own up to their own bullshit. I'd rather see an honest 'I stole your album because I want to spend my money on beer, which is more difficult to steal ' instead of the usual 'Get with the times grandad, no one buys music anymore becuase we're so smart and technologically advanced' bull.

Everyone is entitled to wish that you can still make money out of music easily, fans should just accept they are theives and get on with it, instead of constantly twisting reality to protect their ego and stay "the good guy."


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posted by : The Judge
1/25/2013 7:30:30 AM
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About fucking time you are sooo right. I don't want compressed sound I want uncompressed. I'll take the Pepsi challenge any time and always tell you which is the CD and which is the MP3, because it's fucking obvious!!


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posted by : CarcPazu
1/25/2013 5:02:57 PM
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I personally believe an hungry band will make better music. Over fed artists tends to become lazy and uninspired. You never hear up and coming bands complain about the current state of the music industry; they lowered their expectations and do it for the love of art. Only artists that tasted the big bucks complain and whine. The current status of the industry is actually a good thing for art, it's weeding out a lot of the old bland crop. The old business model is not just outdated, it's obsolete...


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posted by : angryxpeh
1/25/2013 11:21:36 PM
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"There's a disconnect between people not buying music and not understanding why [bands] go away."

Haha. There's a disconnect between bands earned millions in 1980-90ies and not understanding it's 2013 now.

Wake up. Old ways of making money from music are dead and gone, unless you're Lady Gaga or something. Albums are working as advertisement now, not as a product. Live act is a product. Deal with it already.


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