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SOUNDGARDEN Guitarist Addresses Reunion 'Cash Grab' Accusations - Jan. 19, 2013
During a recent interview with The Phoenix, SOUNDGARDEN guitarist Kim Thayil spoke about accusations from some in the media — as well as SMASHING PUMPKINS mainman Billy Corgan — that the band's reunion is nothing more than a "cash grab." "How is it a cash grab?" Thayil asked. "Since when is there money in making records anymore? [laughs] I mean, playing Lollapalooza was a one-day payday, but … and by the way, since when do we need money? We're not like the AFGHAN WHIGS or PAVEMENT. We had a fairly successful career. [SOUNDGARDEN drummer] Matt Cameron played in PEARL JAM, for God's sake! What the hell does he need to spend another, you know, 20 hours a week dedicated to writing and rehearsing SOUNDGARDEN songs and tending to SOUNDGARDEN's business? He's doing just fine, thank you."

According to Thayil, the last thing SOUNDGARDEN had on their minds was to reap fruits of success gone by doing live gigs. "There's a lot of other bands; ALICE IN CHAINS came back a few years before us, SMASHING PUMPKINS — I guess that's not really SMASHING PUMPKINS, it's just a Billy Corgan solo project with a bunch of new guys, right? But there were a lot of bands that became active again, PAVEMENT became active again," Thayil said. "I don't know what it is; maybe when we were broke up we were all younger and everyone grew up and realized there's sort of a lull as far as interesting popular music — in my opinion."

Thayil claims that talk of a SOUNDGARDEN reunion all started over a thoughts on the bands t-shirts and posters.

"It was never formally discussed, 'Hey, you guys want to be a band again?'" Thayil said. "There was a neglect in attending to our catalog; we have no web site, we have no ecommerce presence whatsoever — no Facebook or web site. We had an official and unofficial site from the '90s; the official one was run by the record company, then the record company was gone, and the unofficial, which was actually a better website, that guy kept it going for a few years, but then we broke up and he let it go. There was nothing for the past decade. There was no web site where you could just get information like discography or interviews or videos or merch — and there was no merchandise in retail. Friends of mine and friends of other guys in the band, they had kids in junior high learning how to play bass or playing in a band at school and they're kind of checking out their dad or their brother's record collection and they'd go to the record store and they wouldn't be able to find any SOUNDGARDEN t-shirts or posters. But, of course, there's plenty of stuff from our peers like NIRVANA, ALICE IN CHAINS, SMASHING PUMPKINS, etc. We just thought that we needed to correct the neglect that had gone on for a decade."

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posted by : withnoregret
1/19/2013 2:24:11 PM
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Then stop charging $70-$100 for a ticket. Put your money where your mouth is.


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posted by : Scatter
1/19/2013 9:17:52 PM
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Stop stealing their music and they wouldn't have to charge $70-$100 a ticket. When I was younger and going to concerts every other week back in the 80's and 90's before Napster the average concert ticket used to cost $15-$20


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COMMENT | ^^^^^^^
posted by : shakey27
1/19/2013 2:34:16 PM
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In Minneapolis they charged $60, not unreasonable by todays standards. Any time a band reunites they get accused of a cash grab. While it may be true for some I don't see it with Soundgarden. As Thayil said they were fairly successful in their prime and had decent things going after.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ^^^^^^^'
posted by : Smashing Blumpkins
1/19/2013 4:38:37 PM
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I just don't see why a band isn't entitled to a cash-grab. If they made good music and continue to perform it well enough, all the better. Great bands like Soundgarden, AIC et al deserve a good payday. More power to them. King Animal kicks all sorts of ass.


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COMMENT | Who cares if it is...
posted by : wolfgangr
1/19/2013 2:35:22 PM
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If people like it they will buy and if not they won't. You are not entitled to cheap anything. I could care less about this band but this pill you have swallowed where some how it's bad to make money and be successful is pathetic and is why you will end up being poor and staying poor. Just keep slamming successful people. Does a lot of good. Interesting thing is all these politicians creating all this class envy are millionaires themselves. You are just the hapless sap that keeps them in power while you stay poor.


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COMMENT | very good answer
posted by : wild rover of hell
1/19/2013 2:44:08 PM
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he just forgot to say that his fans are a bunch of whiny pussies who grew up on complaint rock and are now pissed off because they're either unemployed or working in a cube somewhere for wall street hacks.


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COMMENT | withnoregret
posted by : Sandro67
1/19/2013 2:45:21 PM
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For a band of their stature, those prices aren't unreasonable at all. It's not their fault that you're poor.


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COMMENT | 'RE: withnoregret'
posted by : withnoregret
1/19/2013 3:23:36 PM
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I am not poor. I can afford a rock concert. It's the principle that rock concerts should not be priced beyond the means of the average working person.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: withnoregret'''
posted by : squirrel avenger
1/19/2013 5:55:54 PM
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Please define "the price of an average working person"?

Why should that define the price of goods/services? If you can't afford $100, then 1) don't go 2) get a better job.

People are entitled to a profit.

Are you going to go after BMW as well? Damn them for pricing their cars beyond the wages of someone who flips burgers!


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: withnoregret'''
posted by : EL MENGH
1/19/2013 8:08:09 PM
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I didnt see anyone complaining at U2's $500 seats....when I see bands overcharging its very easy and cheaper for me to just stay home and watch their dvd on 60 inch flat panel lol....netflix is awesome lol


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posted by : Zambo
1/19/2013 2:46:21 PM
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Bands are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

They get harassed about reunions of their former bands every interview for the rest of their lives. And if they go through with it, then its a cash grab.

For example, you could pull up every interview from the following, and about 95% have some question about a reunion:
Glenn Danzig
Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Adler.
Plant, Page and Jones.
Prior to 11-11-11, Ozzy-Iommi-Butler-Ward.
Newsted's getting asked about if he would ever go back.
Prior to 2007, Roth/Van Halen.
The list goes on and on.

As far as ticket prices go, its all relative. The bigger the band, the more demand. Scalpers would just buy up huge amounts of tickets if they were dirt cheap, making it harder for you to get them.
Also, people would be more likely to buy tickets if they were cheaper, thus making it harder for you to get a ticket.
I don't see every band I like, every time they come around because I can't justify spending my money like that. I've passed on some of the bigger bands simply because I recently saw them over the past few years, and I don't want to spend the $100 + gas + parking + convenience fees + whatever.

If you can't scrounge up the $70-$100 to see a band you like that hasn't toured since 1997, you need to manage your money better, or get a better job, or go by a pacifier.


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COMMENT | I wouldn't hold it against them one bit.
posted by : Steviestiches
1/19/2013 2:46:35 PM
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Cash in my friends. A good living is hard to come by. Rock on!


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COMMENT | All I gotta say is.....
posted by : The_Bells_of_Lal
1/19/2013 2:50:56 PM
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Fuck Billy Corgan.


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COMMENT | 'RE: All I gotta say is.....'
posted by : withnoregret
1/20/2013 10:53:52 AM
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That sounds gay.


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COMMENT | pumkins suck
posted by : IkidIkid
1/19/2013 2:57:42 PM
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anytime a band whines about another makes THAT band look bad . Who cares What Billy The Deep Throat Coragon thinks. I mean what a pathetic creepy person.


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COMMENT | however
posted by : IkidIkid
1/19/2013 2:59:44 PM
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No one is buying soundgarden merch... I seen them trying to sell 5$ soundgardn shirts here in OHIO and they were not selling..


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COMMENT | 'RE: however'
posted by : Smashing Blumpkins
1/19/2013 4:40:18 PM
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I DUN SEEN 'EM, CLEETUS!


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posted by : Double Shit-Talkin Jive
1/19/2013 3:00:44 PM
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I bet Billy Corgan is drinking his tea and pulling his hair in anger now!


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Smashing Blumpkins
1/19/2013 4:40:35 PM
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What hair?!


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posted by : CJL
1/19/2013 3:21:01 PM
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"I guess that's not really SMASHING PUMPKINS, it's just a Billy Corgan solo project with a bunch of new guys, right?"

Quoted for truth! They really need to just change the name at this point, they're just dragging it through the mud now.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Smashing Blumpkins
1/19/2013 4:41:58 PM
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As the sole SP fanboy on here, I would agree with you if Billy was still pushing out shit on par with Zeitgeist and Teargarden. Fact is, Oceania is the first kickass album under the Pumpkins banner since Mellon Collie. If he keeps pumping out tunes that good, he's entitled to keep the name.


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COMMENT | Making $$ is not a bad thing.
posted by : baligon
1/19/2013 3:40:38 PM
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The latest Soundgarden was too good of a release to be considered a cash grab. It won't qualify as such until they reissue it for the 2nd time or something. That's where the obvious greed comes in.


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COMMENT | Cash Grab
posted by : MetalNeverBends
1/19/2013 3:59:52 PM
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The "cash grab" rant is getting so tiresome. Anybody who accuses artists of DOING THEIR JOB and wanted to be compensated for their time and effort as cash grabbers are fools. The next time one of you fools feels the need to run to your laptop and start up a new cash grab post, stop and think for a second. Apply it to your own life. Imagine an employer who expects you to work 40 hours a week for free as if you were a personal charity. Would you? No you wouldn't. Imagine when it came down to negotiating a salary and you asked for $30 an hour. The interviewer cam back and said "No, not $30 an hour. How about NOTHING an hour. I mean, what are you a cash grabber?
Making music takes countless hours of practice, writing, meeting, traveling often at a huge expense to the artist themselves. Why would you EVER imagine that wanting to get paid is wrong?


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COMMENT | It's not a cash grab if...
posted by : Voice Of Sanitry
1/19/2013 4:02:01 PM
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They took the time and effort to make a great album. End of story.

It's not like Cornell or Cameron was broke, or even Thayil.
Only Shephard has had a hard time and after living on the street, only a cunt would begrudge him a big payday now.

Faith No More (who i love) THAT was just a cash grab (and i'm not complaining there either).

Billy Corgan still needs a slap and that's the whole story.


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posted by : Hubs
1/19/2013 4:26:06 PM
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I wouldn't pay a cent to see these guys. I dont know why i'm even commenting. Cornell, why don't you sit on a stool and sing another song to obama and try to save the world with your music along with b. springsteen and u2.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Smashing Blumpkins
1/19/2013 4:43:13 PM
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DEY TOOK ARR JAWBZ! NOBAMA! I NEED MAH GUNZ!!!!!111!!!


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COMMENT | concert ticket prices
posted by : workingman52070
1/19/2013 4:32:26 PM
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To the ass bitching about ticket prices,do you have any idea how much it costs to roll trucks and buses across the country.Gas prices are quite high.How about the price of the union members you are forced to hire from the local to set up your stage and gear.Since no one feels the need to buy cds anymore how else do you propose bands earn a paycheck?Since rock radio barely exists anymore and there is nowhere to advertise locally or play your new music.Maybe shows should be free also.Get a clue and put your money where your keyboard is.


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COMMENT | Cash Grab
posted by : DirtyWaterDog
1/19/2013 4:45:05 PM
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I don't think so. The new album is tits. Good set list. My ticket for upcoming show came to $75. I never seen them before so I don't really mind, but it is kinda high. Where it doesn't work is with a second leg as we all saw with Van Halen. I make good money and don't live in my mom's basement. I have no problem with band's making money. They SHOULD be making some fucking money. Deliver a kick ass show! That's all I ask!


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COMMENT | 'cash grab' is most idiotic reasoning I've ever heard, by losers!
posted by : InThroughTheOutDoor
1/19/2013 4:52:18 PM
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So is ok for bands to continue to sell back catalog albums, but is not ok to play their music live, after taking a break? Who are these idiots trying to tell bands how they should run their careers, which are actually their jobs and their lives?! Mind your own business LOSERS!!!!! My guess is they say that about bands whose music they don't get: Well, too bad you have a narrow-minded music taste, except you hate and blame such bands for that, your stupidity.

I purposely took a vacation and made a stop at Lolla. couple yrs ago, when Soundgarden and Green Day played, along with the Radio Ga Ga lady. Great show guys, first time I saw both bands.

Now, are the same idiots complaining about ticket prices as well? Get another like LOSERS!! Tell us what kind of business or company you work for and what are the prices on your crap. It is 2013, not the 80s when tix were around $20. My advice is to fans, don't buy music or go to concert,
and don't even tell us what else you'll spend your $ on 'cos it may be laughable and we plain don't care! To non-fans of bands I say: stfu and get a life LOSERS!!!


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COMMENT | Ticket prices
posted by : cycocyco
1/19/2013 4:57:48 PM
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Bands don't set ticket prices. Promoters get to set ticket prices and they also get to take all the risk. Rent the venue, pay for sound and lighting, security, insurance, advertising, and a litany of other expenses... All with zero guarantee they will make a dime. $75 is a bargain for a ticket. $125 is still fair for a stadium show. If people can't make money from all the planning, work and RISK why would they bother doing it? For you, your highness! So you can see a show for free? If you can't afford to go, then don't. Bitching about ticket prices without having a CLUE how much it costs to put a show of that scope is asinine.


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COMMENT | fuck.
posted by : JOHNNY SNOT
1/19/2013 4:59:05 PM
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these guys are awesome....they deserve to grab some fucking cash.


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COMMENT | If I saw some cash...
posted by : Necrosaur
1/19/2013 5:08:04 PM
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...I'd grab it.


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COMMENT | Cash grab or not
posted by : RiotAct666
1/19/2013 5:25:39 PM
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Glad Soundgarden are back and making awesome music again.


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posted by : jorgen
1/19/2013 5:29:09 PM
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Good for them, whatever the motivation. Plus, their new album is quite good. What's the problem?



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posted by : zbtrocker
1/19/2013 7:08:52 PM
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All you have to do is listen to the new album to realize that it's not a cash grab. King Animal doesn't sound dated. It doesn't sound like a band trying to reproduce what they once had. It also doesn't sound like a classic band trying to sound "hip". It sounds like a Soundgarden album. I would gladly pay $60.00 if Soundgarden came to Nashville. Their catalogue is worth it.


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COMMENT | Last I checked...
posted by : Wronginfo
1/19/2013 7:56:59 PM
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... it is their band and their music, they can do what they want with it, and the fans can decide if they want to part with their cash or not.

Thanks for caring though, Billy!


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COMMENT | I saw them in Vancouver
posted by : cliffburt
1/19/2013 8:05:21 PM
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Queens of the Stone Age and Meat Puppets opened. That is worth the price if admission.


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COMMENT | truth.
posted by : mrpsych0
1/19/2013 8:42:08 PM
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no one can say to don´t need the money....but the truth is: new album kicks ass!!


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posted by : ying_yang_manglestein
1/19/2013 9:42:42 PM
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Concert tickets are way too expensive. Only the children on here will say otherwise. If you are a grown assed adult . 2 tickts for you and your woman will set you back over 200 bucks with service charges. Then the parking is another 20. Fucking beer is 8-9 bucks a pop and shirts are 40-60bucks. That is a shit ton of money to go see a band that are unarguably multimillionares. It is greed based on a shitty ,greedy business model. FACT. i PAID 150 BUCKS FOR A TICKET TO WOODSTOCK 94 .tHAT WAS A GOOD DEAL. FOR OVER 40 BANDS. mOST OF THEM HEADLINERS .


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posted by : jokerstyle
1/19/2013 9:52:28 PM
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While I love the 1st 2 Smashing Pumpkin albums....Corgan is a whiny bitch...let's face it, he is mega bummed that he isn't the rock star he was in the 90s.....he is mega bummed that no one gave a shit about his other projects (Zwan, solo album) & he is mega bummed that no one cares about the "Smashing Pumpkins" of today......he is irrelevant, which I'm sure eats at him b/c at one time he was taken very seriously

Bands like Soundgarden come back...put out great material and are for the most part welcomed with open arms by fans of the 90s......Corgan, not so much...and he's tried numerous times to become relevant again..

that's why you see these long rambling ultra serious and ultra pissed off interviews of him about how "the record industry has changed and things aren't like they were, etc".....he's right, but he comes across like a cry baby....and again, mosre importantly, he hasn't put out anything that was truly relevant in the rock world in a very long time.....


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COMMENT | what's wrong with making $$$??!!
posted by : kliffee
1/20/2013 12:24:25 AM
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why do musicians have to feel guilty for making money?! eff you if you don't like it. don't buy the product!


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COMMENT | Hilarious!
posted by : Norsk_Arisk_Nu-Metal
1/20/2013 12:49:28 AM
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I like how he starts off by taking the defensive regarding "cash grab" accusations but goes on to say the reunion talk started over discussions regarding the band's merchandise.


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posted by : NoneBuriedDeeper
1/20/2013 4:40:45 AM
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Bullshit it's a 100% cash grab. I'm going to see Testament, Overkill and Flotsam and Jetsam for 29.50. So yes 70 dollars is a fucking cash grab!!!


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posted by : NoneBuriedDeeper
1/20/2013 4:40:46 AM
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Bullshit it's a 100% cash grab. I'm going to see Testament, Overkill and Flotsam and Jetsam for 29.50. So yes 70 dollars is a fucking cash grab!!!


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COMMENT | !!!
posted by : Doros78
1/20/2013 5:24:46 AM
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nothing wrong with getting some money for doing your "work" and Soundgarden never were that band, the music was always number 1.


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posted by : jc013
1/20/2013 6:07:15 AM
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A cash grab is when guys do not come out with anything new and try to relive their glory days.SG came with a good lp and are now touring.They did it the right way.


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COMMENT | Not a cash grab
posted by : Battle_Magic
1/20/2013 6:21:46 AM
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Metallica's last few albums = cash grab.
Soundgarden = not washed-up old hacks, make good album


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COMMENT | f**k Corgan
posted by : sharkbyte
1/20/2013 9:14:32 AM
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He's a whiny albino cunt who's living off the name like Axl Rose, the sole member of his band.

For those of you calling this a cash grab, get educated!!

Some are calling it a cash grab based on the ignorant assumption that these guys are setting ticket prices high. Go back and look at the cost of ticket prices before mp3 and Napster, when albums sold in the millions. Today, with labels desperate to make ANY money on the artists on their roster, they (along with venue owners, promoters) are jacking up ticket prices.

A cash grab is a new hits album every few years and a tour without an album. Motley Crue's "Red White & Crue" is the textbook example of a cash grab. No new album, just a couple boring tracks and they went out on tour and sounded like crap because they hadn't played together (with Vince) for a long time.

However, don't start getting all pissed off at artists like Aerosmith who have a RIDICULOUS number of hits album in stores. The labels own the rights to the music so they just keep re-packaging the hits because stupid people will be like "oooh a new CD". One of the stupid "hits" CD's from Aerosmith was called "Tough Love: The Ballads" and it had LOVE IN AN ELEVATOR on it....seriously? A BALLAD? I rest my case.

Soundgarden has WAY too much integrity to go out and rip people off. They went in the studio once they decided they still had some creative energy and they made an excellent album that will be nominated for Best Rock Album for next year's Grammy Awards. This was a gift for their fans that grew from nothing but talking, NOT about how to make more money.


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posted by : TheEagle
1/20/2013 9:54:18 AM
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I they wanted cash they would have been back earlier. The new album is impressive, the band sounds great on TV and live and in all honesty I expected them to fail like so many others. I am glad they're back and kicking. Good for them if the money is there.

Every musician claiming he doesn't want to get well paid for his art lies. When you pour your guts, heart and soul into something you are entitled to live from it.


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COMMENT | NOT PLAYING BIG VENUES
posted by : destructivesounds
1/20/2013 12:00:35 PM
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Here in NYC, Soundgarden has played to 1,200 or 2,000.

Hammerstein will be the biggest show at around 3,500.

Cash-grab would be aiming for MSG.



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COMMENT | There is hope in the world
posted by : deepunderdirt
1/20/2013 3:11:25 PM
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As recently as two or three years ago, all we would have had here are comments supporting the cash grab point of view. But there are some well thought out (and not thought out but supportive) responses about capitalism, the cost of running a business, a person (or band) actually doing their job and getting paid for it, and requesting of peers to get a better job in order to be able to have more disposable income.

I make more than most people here and frankly I can't afford to go to some of the concerts I'd like to see (some of the huge classic rock bands who reunite from time to time). I just don't go, I don't bitch or complain about it. I want to see Fleetwood Mac and Clapton, but not cheap for good seats. I did see Rush, a few months back $80 per ticket and let me tell you, well worth it - that was a hell of a show. $60 isn't much for a concert these days, especially if that band has a great stage setup with lasers, fire etc (I know, its about the music but a great show enhances the music - much like when Tool tours). I took my kid to see Lady Gaga a few years back and it was $150 per ticket ($300 total) plus parking and food/drinks. Big show, sold out two nights and I can't stand the music but enjoyed the spectacle of it. I'd only pay that much again to see Sabbath or one of the obscure bands I love i should they reunite. I guess at the end of the day, if I really want to see a band, I'll figure out a way to pay for it. If it's to expensive, oh well, maybe next time. And I do believe cash grabs are good - if they give the fans something worth paying for - music, show, etc.


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posted by : Raiders757
1/21/2013 5:20:04 PM
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Napster and the likes of have nothing to do with high ticket prices. Bands have a going rate that is set by a number things from insurgence to logistics. It's the local promoter that decides if there is a market in his area for a band, and if they accept the show, they set the ticket prices. That's why prices aren't the same from region to region. The promoters take the risk as the band gets paid no matter what, so they set the prices high to ensure a profit if there happens to be a lower turnout than expected.


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posted by : Raiders757
1/21/2013 5:35:52 PM
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I meant insurance, not insurgence. Whoops!


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