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AS I LAY DYING: There Is A Misconception About How Much Money Successful Metal Bands Make - Jan. 14, 2013
Justis Earle of Hails & Horns magazine recently conducted an interview with vocalist Tim Lambesis of San Diego metallers AS I LAY DYING. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow below.

Hails & Horns: You guys are one of the few bands that can tour with ASKING ALEXANDRIA or SLAYER. What would you say as a response to some of the negative [social media] comments [for] bands like ASKING ALEXANDRIA?

Tim: I'm not sure what to say to those kind of people, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think people are more likely to share their opinion in a more abrasive way on the Internet. I know we've gotten a lot more flak for touring with ASKING ALEXANDRIA than we have for something on the more "true metal" side of the spectrum, whether it be SLAYER or whoever. Sometimes with the younger, up-and-coming "sceney"-type bands, we recognize that they are drawing a younger, different fan base and that it's important for us to try and play in front of different audiences. We came out of the New Wave Of American Heavy Metal, and metalcore and that kind of scene, but we don't consider ourselves locked into one particular genre, we just try to write the best music that we can, and let other people throw the tags on us. It's like if I want to eat healthy, and someone else doesn't, were not gonna yell at each other for it. It's just a difference of opinion, I like chicken and broccoli and someone might be like, "That's disgusting," but were not gonna argue over the Internet and call each other terrible names. I view music like that; it's subjective. There's no right or wrong answer.

Hails & Horns: In the late '90s, there was this big nu-metal thing with weird hard rock stuff, but metal really made a resurgence around the turn of the millennium. Where do you see metal going in the next five or ten years. Do you see a trend?

Tim: Well, I think with all the trends, there's a big rise in the trend and then all bands in that entire trend do really well for a small window of time like two or three years, and then there's like four or five survivors. You think of thrash metal obviously it had its huge hey day, and [the] really the big survivors are the obvious ones like METALLICA, MEGADETH, ANTHRAX… When us, KILLSWITCH [ENGAGE], LAMB OF GOD and SHADOWS FALL… [came out] there was that initial big break in what people consider that new movement, and even with that, unfortunately some of those bands aren't making the same living they used to. When it's all said and done, there's probably a couple hundred metalcore bands that got signed, and now there's maybe five or six that in ten years people will still remember. Hopefully, me crossing my fingers, it's us, LAMB OF GOD, KILLSWITCH [ENGAGE], and a handful of others. The same thing happened to nu-metal, KORN, I dunno… I didn't listen to nu-metal…there's only like two or three nu-metal bands that people take seriously anymore and the rest of them are almost a laughing stock. The trends come and go, and the more extreme trends come and go quicker, like deathcore and stuff; that trend is coming and going much quicker than metalcore did.

Hails & Horns: If someone looks at you and they say, "This guy has it all," what would you say to that, and where do you find your contentment in the midst of this?

Tim: I think there's a misconception about the money that is made even for the successful bands in our genre. Again, to bring up us and the KILLSWITCH guys, none of us are extremely comfortable with the amount of money [we earn]. It's not like were gonna make enough money that were just gonna retire when were done playing music and just sit around for the rest of our lives. The amount of income is a comfortable amount, but it's certainly not the kind that that alleviates the stress of having to get another job at some point. That's one misconception, and beyond that, I think there's value in a human that has their own goals and ambitions and just wants to work hard, regardless of what it is. To me, I could be organizing our studio equipment, and even though it's a tedious task of cleaning stuff, it's in my nature as a person to just keep working on it and when I'm sixty, even if I had the money to retire, I would probably still work… I'm sorry, the initial question?

Hails & Horns: Where do you personally find contentment?

Tim: Finding value in work. I'm content when I've put my heart into something and I feel productive, whether it's outwardly productive where the world sees it and gives praises, like when a new album comes out and gets good reviews, or if we put together an album that I was personally very proud of and every one else was like, "Whatever," as long as I was personally proud of it, when I'm old, I'm not going to regret that album. I think the ability to be content is in the heart of an individual, not necessarily in goals and achievements. I'm sure the quote has been overused: "Life is about the journey and not the destination," but the people who live life that way are actually content.

Read the entire interview from Hails & Horns magazine.

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posted by : jorgen
1/14/2013 1:53:40 PM
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Whatever. As I Lay Crying.


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1/14/2013 3:36:24 PM
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weak.


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posted by : BROCAS HELM
1/14/2013 2:05:05 PM
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GET TO THE CHOPPAAAAAA!!!


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posted by : jim siedow
1/14/2013 2:11:29 PM
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the music industry sucks hard these days.
unless you sell out, it is almost impossible today to start a metal band, be successfull financially, and develop a broad following...everyones seen it all, you got a billion bands all chasing the same nickel from the fans, the bands that have been out and more established will survive but the new up and comers will fade away quicker then any other era of metal music since the 70s.


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posted by : dlb
1/14/2013 2:18:22 PM
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not into the band but i like what he's saying. comes across like a normal, good dude.


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posted by : sanyr
1/14/2013 2:29:51 PM
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> I think people are more likely to share their opinion in a more abrasive way on the Internet.

Yeah well YOUR MOM IS FAT


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posted by : billcarson666
1/14/2013 2:40:45 PM
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I think it's definitely a big misconception when huge bands like Slayer are turning to making those little head coaster things jews wear, christmas sweaters, socks, and all kinds of other KISS-like merchandise...

They money just isn't rolling in the way it used to. If music and art were perishable items, then it would be different, but they're not.

Torrents and plummeting cd sales will ultimately collapse the music industry.

Anyone who's in a band or has been in a band knows how hard it is and how much hard work and effort it takes to get where AILD is now... All that time and effort to not make much money and not be able to retire comfortably. What's the point? A few years of fame? You might get to tour the world but you rarely get to go out and see the cities you're playing in, like you would if you were on vacation. Will the cd's your band puts out define a genre, or make history? Highly doubtful. In the past this didnt matter. Now, the ROI (or return on investment to the lay-person) just isn't there anymore.

You're better off studying in school, going to college, and getting a good job. At least then you can save for retirement and live comfortably in your own home and your own bed every night.


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posted by : intlecktual
1/14/2013 2:46:40 PM
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The bigger the band, the bigger the production and the bigger the expenses. Still, you're travelling to each city on a private plane instead of an old van.

I have to disagree with billcarson666. Follow your dream, no sense in spending the one shot of life that you have being miserable. Besides, college is barely a return on investment unless you go to med school and even then it takes quite a while.


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posted by : nancyboy
1/14/2013 3:02:01 PM
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It just boggles my mind that people have this idea nowadays (or recently, I guess) that you could be "financially successful"
and 'retire comfortably' from making metal music. You guys are living in fantasy lands. There are a few obvious bands over the years that had some longetivity and got lucky financially.. thousands and thousands of bands never made jack shit (or expected to).

If you got into metal expecting to make money in any decade, you got what your deserved. Metal was never about money or being successful, much less 'retiring comfortably'. Get the fuck out of here with your unrealistic expectations and entitlement.

"Torrents and plummeting cd sales will ultimately collapse the music industry."

Good riddance. The 'music industry' may fall, but music will continue, I assure you. Couldn't care less if my opinion is unpopular... the truth is the 'industry' has had massive bad karma coming for a long time now and should have gone down (to cheers) years ago. I laugh every time I see some shit-for-brains standing up for them. So damned dumb.


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posted by : billcarson666
1/14/2013 3:10:02 PM
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COMPLETELY AGREE WITH NANCYBOY...


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posted by : billcarson666
1/14/2013 3:10:03 PM
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COMPLETELY AGREE WITH NANCYBOY...


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posted by : billcarson666
1/14/2013 5:37:21 PM
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I have to disagree with billcarson666. Follow your dream, no sense in spending the one shot of life that you have being miserable. Besides, college is barely a return on investment unless you go to med school and even then it takes quite a while.

'successful metal band' is borderline oxymoron. Success is subjective, so what you think is success may be completely different from what i deem success. Bare minimum would be to not have to have a day job when i'm not on tour, and to live comfortably without a day job long after my career is over. That's not gonna happen in a metal band, err at least not anymore.

So while 'the dream' seems like a wonderful life of excess, fame, world tours, drinkin beer, smokin weed, doing blow off a pair of 18 year old tits, and 'being metal'... it's short lived and not a sustainable income in a present day when you can't collect royalties from cd's you made 20 years prior when no one buys cds. That's essentially blowing all your "good years" at once and then paying for it for the rest of your life in misery when you're 50 working at guitar center. Unless you have rich parents that hooked you up with a nice trust fund.


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posted by : FadedLineVigil
1/14/2013 6:14:32 PM
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Randy Blithe makes $200,000 per year.


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posted by : Argenmetal
1/14/2013 8:31:56 PM
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you have to treat it like a job..tour like crazy
preferably in europe.

back in the day you had like metal/rock radio..
now you have sirius xm..not sure if it works the same.

you had mtv...now you tube.

now you have internet...before you didnt.

before you had a FAT advance...
now you dont spend half as much recording an album...


tour tour and more touring.


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posted by : R||F||H
1/15/2013 2:45:31 AM
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There's a misconception that this band is still relevant.


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