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Last Updated: June 19, 2013 9:43 AM




BLACK SABBATH: New Album Title Announced; Recording Drummer Revealed - Jan. 12, 2013
Legendary heavy metal band BLACK SABBATH has set "13" as the title of its much-anticipated new album. The group's first LP with Ozzy Osbourne since 1978 will be released in June via Vertigo/Universal Republic in the U.S. and Vertigo in all other territories. The drum tracks on the CD were laid down by RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE sticksman Brad Wilk following original drummer Bill Ward's decision to bow out of the reunion.

Osbourne, Tony Iommi (guitar) and Geezer Butler (bass) recorded the album primarily in Los Angeles with producer Rick Rubin.

In advance of the CD's release, BLACK SABBATH will head to New Zealand, Australia and Japan for live performances. Additional tour plans will be revealed in the coming months.

Iommi, Osbourne and Butler discussed their new album in a video interview posted at NME.com. Asked how Rubin influenced the band's approach to writing together again, Butler explained, "He sat us down, put the first album on and said 'listen to this', imagine it's 1969, you've just done that, what would you do next?"

Iommi added, "It's taken on the flavor of the old stuff in the way we put things together, but with a different look on it."

Back in August, Butler said SABBATH had recorded 15 tracks, with 12 making the final cut, including a song entitled "God Is Dead".

Ward in May 2012 announced again that he was declining to join his former bandmates for its scheduled 2012 dates, as well as the recording of a new album, due to a contractual dispute.

He also allegedly had his lawyers direct SABBATH to remove him from photos of the band posted at the official BLACK SABBATH web site "so as to not give the public the wrong impression about his involvement in the current BLACK SABBATH lineup," according to a statement issued by the band's publicist.

Butler issued a lengthy retort at his own web site, writing that Ward "hadn't told any one of us he was having contractual problems, and frankly those things are worked out between our representatives, and never between the four of us, let alone in public."

Until now, Iommi told The Pulse Of Radio a while back that the members of SABBATH stayed friendly even when there were legal or other issues going on. "We've always been talking. We've always been in touch with each other," he said. "There might be a lawsuit in the thing between us, but we still talk to each other like nothing's happened, you know."

Asked if there is any chance of Ward rejoining the band, Iommi said last October, "We'll always have a heart for Bill, but I think it's gone past that now, because it's gone on so long that I don't see that happening at the moment. Maybe at some point we might [play together again]."

Iommi, Osbourne and Butler performed live together for the first time in seven years on May 19, 2012, playing an intimate show at the 3,800-person O2 Academy in SABBATH's hometown of Birmingham, England. The concert, which served as a warm-up for the group's appearance at the following month's Download festival, was laced with emotion and drama: it was the first live appearance for Iommi since being diagnosed with cancer, and it was the first with stand-in drummer Tommy Clufetos, making the split official between Ward and the rest of SABBATH.

BLACK SABBATH took part in a photo shoot on November 30, 2012 with famed British photographer/artist Sam Taylor-Wood.

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posted by : Dustin7933
1/12/2013 6:20:19 PM
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Weird...was not expecting that drummer. I mean, he's good but I just wasn't expecting him.


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posted by : Polar Natt
1/12/2013 6:25:38 PM
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Must have been the cheapest of all who were considered.


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posted by : Evil_Twin
1/12/2013 7:16:58 PM
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oh for fucks sake, that guy's got no swing whatsoever!

i highly recommend everyone download this album and don't give them a fucking penny.

11/11/11 my ass!


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posted by : mygoodeye
1/12/2013 6:21:13 PM
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They should've gotten Meg White. She's slightly better than this joker.


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posted by : gbowles
1/12/2013 6:48:07 PM
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incredibly stupid comment


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posted by : Theblastmaster
1/12/2013 9:27:35 PM
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Not really, the guy is quite weak with all of the elements that made Bill Ward strong drummer. Not a good move Mr. Rubin.


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posted by : kreosplus
1/12/2013 6:22:06 PM
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Produced by Rick Rubin... Enough for me not to waste money on this release.


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posted by : godfleshh
1/12/2013 7:01:39 PM
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Let's just hope that deaf bastard didn't fucked up this record with his distortion-compression production style.


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posted by : Sandro67
1/12/2013 6:22:33 PM
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Well shit, I still think that it's dumb that they couldn't work something out with Bill. But Brad Wilk certainly isn't a bad choice. The guy can groove pretty damn hard.

It still just feels like a cash grab, to go on without Bill though. Don't know if I'll buy or not. Just my own opinion.


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/13/2013 1:21:06 AM
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From Billboard

"Ward officially dropped out of the project after the band reportedly asked him to only be "minimally" involved at certain reunion shows. "For me, it's all or nothing," he said"


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : aztec
1/13/2013 5:20:30 AM
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I think Ward brings way more talent than Ozzy at this point. Don't understand why they could not have used him for the album,Will borrow this disc from the library and not contribute to this bullsh%t.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: #'''''''
posted by : Chale
1/13/2013 10:17:29 PM
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When did you last hear Ward play drums on something? I like Bill Ward and I really wish he was involved in this, but seriously, he has more talent than Ozzy at this point? We don't have anything to base that on.


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COMMENT | I'm Down
posted by : RedZombie
1/12/2013 6:23:08 PM
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Brad beats Doritoes at least. Was hoping for a bit better of an album name, but i'm sure it will crush either way.


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posted by : dragstrip76
1/12/2013 6:23:24 PM
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What happened to Tommy Clufetos?


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posted by : Zambo
1/12/2013 6:42:50 PM
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He got Warded.


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posted by : Masterofmetal65
1/12/2013 6:56:50 PM
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Tommy Wasnt heavy enough. He's a light weight. That arm thing he does fools noone...Hey Tommy I hear the go
gos are looking for a drum tech. You'll love it Gina is great to work with. hahahahaha


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posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:14:02 AM
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SO glad Clufetos won't be on the album. That's the best news I've heard in a long time. I don't know if I'm sold yet on Wilk, but he's much better than Clufetos. I was actually just listening to "Viet Now" a few days ago and thinking that the drums reminded me a little of the verses on "Behind the Wall of Sleep." Weird coincidence.

The album title seems strange, but it sure as hell doesn't sound like something Sharon would've come up with. Hoping that's a sign she had no influence over the creative aspects of the album. Sounds more like something Geezer would come up with to me.



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posted by : Black Anvil
1/12/2013 6:26:22 PM
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Shoulda been Mike Bordin


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posted by : SF666
1/12/2013 6:26:53 PM
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Tommy was only used for the shows they did. Rumour was he wasn't what they were looking for, and was only used on short notice.


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posted by : Gruntotengott
1/12/2013 6:28:06 PM
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No Bill Ward and No Tommy Clufetos = No Black Sabbath


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posted by : lg18
1/12/2013 6:29:21 PM
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NOBODY HAS MENTIONED they ripped off Megadeth's album name?


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posted by : lg18
1/12/2013 6:30:08 PM
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but since Sabbath is such a legendary respected band nobody dares to point that out


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posted by : Devil's Chord
1/12/2013 6:37:59 PM
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I was going to point that out too, though "13" isn't the most original album title for any band. Still, this is Black Sabbath - they could have thought of something better!


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posted by : Theblastmaster
1/12/2013 9:15:23 PM
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You may be forgetting that Six Feet Under came out with an album titled '13' in 2005.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Sickboy666
1/13/2013 3:44:05 AM
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My fucking band had a song called 13 out last year https://soundcloud.com/sixpackwonder/13-no-luck-on-my-strikes


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posted by : HOD
1/13/2013 5:31:49 AM
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Nobody has mentioned that Megadeth ripped off Blur's album name? Or that Blur ripped off The Doors album name? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_(disambiguation)


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posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:20:52 AM
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Yeah, but with Megadeth it was because it was album #13. The title is more puzzling to me for Sabbath since it's their 19th album, and 9th with Ozzy. It might tie in to a song on the album. Maybe Geezer wrote some old-school "N.I.B." type lyrics about the number 13. At least I can hope it won't be something lame until June.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:46:56 AM
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Because if it IS as simple as a reference to the current year, that just sucks.


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COMMENT | Great drummer!!!
posted by : Nomader
1/12/2013 6:30:12 PM
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I can't wait!! I wish Bill was going to be there but FUCK IT...it's all about the music for me...\m/


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posted by : Torturetonal
1/12/2013 6:31:38 PM
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No Tommy no Sabbath.


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posted by : Aces_High99
1/12/2013 6:31:38 PM
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Brad Wilk is a badass drummer...certainly better than Clufetos.


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COMMENT | SORT OF MAKES SENSE
posted by : destructivesounds
1/12/2013 6:34:18 PM
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Bill Ward is a power drummer with funky beats as well

HOWEVER

You can't duplicate the intricacies of Ward drumming.
They should've just paid the ol' boy what he wanted.



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COMMENT | 'RE: SORT OF MAKES SENSE'
posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:25:08 AM
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But I think the big question was could Bill Ward 2012 duplicate the intricacies of Ward drumming 1970? Maybe he could, maybe he couldn't, but if he couldn't, better to go out with some dignity than everyone knowing you just didn't have it anymore.


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posted by : YodaAct666
1/12/2013 6:36:04 PM
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13 is already in use, Megadeth's.

I will likely buy this. IOMMI is freakin god, man. Have you guys heard H&H?!?


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Shapescare
1/12/2013 6:50:13 PM
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I don't think anyone on this forum is familiar with H&H.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : RiotAct666
1/12/2013 8:25:22 PM
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Familiar with H&H That line up of Dio , Iommi , Butler , Appice put on an incredible record in 2009 called The Devil You Know. Plus those members were in Black Sabbath in the 80's & 90's put out other albums like Mob Rules , Live Evil & Dehumanizer.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: #'''''''
posted by : Warlockaxe
1/12/2013 8:46:54 PM
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I believe he was being sarcastic.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: #'''''''
posted by : bongwarrior
1/13/2013 7:24:01 AM
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Muppet.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: #'''''''
posted by : Sadistikexekution
1/13/2013 9:00:45 AM
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** facepalm **


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COMMENT | Rick Rubin
posted by : blackbeltjones
1/12/2013 6:36:51 PM
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Brad was Rick Rubin's choice. More then capable, but a real shame it's not all 4 original guys.


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posted by : lachessys
1/12/2013 6:36:53 PM
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holly shit!!!! can't wait for Mustaine's rant!! he made such a big fucking deal over a gift certificate.....imagine this!!

guy's gonna have a coronary!!


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posted by : Devil's Chord
1/12/2013 6:39:26 PM
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Black Sabbath should have named it Mega-Death or something.


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posted by : Theblastmaster
1/12/2013 9:16:49 PM
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Except that Six Feet Under came out with their album '13' back in 2005.


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COMMENT | Facebook's ONLY, COMPLETE Black Sabbath Page
posted by : Johnny_boy_Angel
1/12/2013 6:38:24 PM
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Not that this guy is bad, but of all the choices of Sabbath alumni or more appropriate drummers in the fold?

For anybody interested...

The best Black Sabbath page on fb - every era, album, member, and historical note


https://www.facebook.com/groups/Complete.Black.Sabbath/


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COMMENT | Seen it before somewhere?
posted by : dragstrip76
1/12/2013 6:39:57 PM
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Let's not forget Megadeth ripped off Blur, who released 13 sometime in the late 90's....


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COMMENT | 'RE: Seen it before somewhere?'
posted by : lg18
1/12/2013 7:11:12 PM
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meh, similar genres these two bands are though


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COMMENT | 'RE: Seen it before somewhere?'
posted by : Theblastmaster
1/12/2013 9:18:06 PM
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And Six Feet Under who released '13' back in 2005


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posted by : bassman700
1/12/2013 6:39:58 PM
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I'm like 50% less excited for this without Bill Ward...


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COMMENT | Brad Wilk?
posted by : The Rabbit
1/12/2013 6:43:08 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


and...

13 for an album title?

Can you get anymore original??????


WOW....this has suck written all over it.


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COMMENT | 13
posted by : kissmaidenfan
1/12/2013 6:43:39 PM
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Guess its the 13 Sabbath CD That had at lease 2 Original Members on it.. Can't figure out the name; unless got song name 13

Also kind shocked who they got to Drum on the Album..

Hopefully its worth it..


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COMMENT | 'RE: 13'
posted by : bongwarrior
1/13/2013 7:25:28 AM
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What year are we in ?


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: 13'''
posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:28:02 AM
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I really fuckin' hope it's not that simple.


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COMMENT | Album title
posted by : Shapescare
1/12/2013 6:43:52 PM
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I was hoping for "God is Dead" - or the related "Never say Dio"


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COMMENT | What an utterly boring title...
posted by : priestfan88
1/12/2013 6:44:32 PM
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...hopefully the music is awesome. There have just been too many albums titled "13" or "Thirteen" or "Th1rt3en"...


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COMMENT | 'RE: What an utterly boring title...'
posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/12/2013 7:09:54 PM
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Six Feet under was the 1st band to have an album called 13, then megadeth and the mighty Sabbs


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: What an utterly boring title...'''
posted by : RiotAct666
1/12/2013 8:23:16 PM
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Blur has an album called 13 as well.


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COMMENT | Happy New Year 20... 13
posted by : Power
1/12/2013 6:44:38 PM
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that is good news... the drummer will sound good.

Sabbath should hire Brian Tichy to tour.

When is the Judas Priest album gonna be released?


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COMMENT | 'RE: Happy New Year 20... 13'
posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/12/2013 9:52:08 PM
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Sabbs minus Ward
Judas minus Downing

they should start a new band called the Birmingham Bashers


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Happy New Year 20... 13'''
posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:28:52 AM
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Bring back the Bullring Brummies!


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posted by : Zambo
1/12/2013 6:45:58 PM
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Eh... that title seems a little uninspired. Was expecting more for their first release in over 30 years.


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posted by : bassman700
1/12/2013 6:46:00 PM
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Yes, 13 isn't the most original album name, but if you think about it, it's kinda cool. They're not using it like Megadeth did, naming their 13th album 13 along with some other bands (kinda gay imo). 13 is an unlucky number and superstitious people always avoid it. It's still not the best but I don't think it's horrible


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posted by : quigonkick
1/12/2013 6:49:21 PM
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"Guess its the 13 Sabbath CD That had at lease 2 Original Members on it.. Can't figure out the name; unless got song name 13"

This year is 2013. I think Ozzy hinted at it in a previous press release.

Good heavens, the educational system has failed us....


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posted by : Torturetonal
1/12/2013 6:52:22 PM
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Brad's a good drummer and he can definitely groove. Certainly a much better choice for Sabbath than that Tommy Clitoris fella.


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COMMENT | The more...
posted by : mr fuzzy
1/12/2013 6:55:09 PM
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I'm hearing news on this reunion/band/album, the more it stinks.

I got nothing against Rick Rubin producing this. I don't know why some of you are bitching about that. He's produced some damn albums in his career. (Reign in Blood, anyone?)

Piss poor title too. 13? Although it does fall in line with the seemingly endless run of bad luck this whole reunion/album shit has garnered. Plus all the bullshit associated with all this can't be good for Tony while he's fighting a different battle with cancer. But i'm happy he's still hanging in there.

As for the new drummer. I think he's damn solid choice. His style is pretty close to Wards style.

I can only hope the MUSIC is good, if not great.


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COMMENT | You know what?
posted by : Riotass666
1/12/2013 6:57:19 PM
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Brad Wilk has the same initials as Bill Ward, and also the same number of letters in his first and last name. I'm blaming Sharon for that -- she thinks the fans are so stupid they will think it's really Bill Ward on the album when they read the credits.


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COMMENT | 'RE: You know what?'
posted by : GhostofPerdition
1/12/2013 11:47:02 PM
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You can also rearrange the letters in his name to "Bilk Ward", ironically that being kinda what Sabbath did!


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COMMENT | mygoodeye
posted by : Buster Gonad
1/12/2013 6:58:40 PM
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Your good eye is obviously your japs' eye. Post your weak efforts on here...and I don't mean transcribing a word for word answer back to your mummy when she told you to pick up your crispy socks from your bedroom floor. Musically-what have you done?


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posted by : armz00
1/12/2013 7:08:51 PM
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Screw it -they should had got Gene Hoglan, made their last effort dark as hell!


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COMMENT | Did Ozzy pick the album title?
posted by : dildo task force 1
1/12/2013 7:25:36 PM
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The only album name I can think of that is more generic than "13" is "Scream."


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COMMENT | Fer the record
posted by : goodtobeclean
1/12/2013 7:31:11 PM
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first band to have an album named 13 was the Doors in 1970 ....


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COMMENT | 'RE: Fer the record'
posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/13/2013 1:42:53 PM
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six feet under - 13 2005
Megadeth - Thirteen 2011
Anvil - This is Thirteen 2009


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posted by : Rich376
1/12/2013 7:37:00 PM
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13??

Wow! Real original. Good thing no bands have ever used that title before.
It sounds like something Sharon or Jack came up with.

Brad Wilk?
He's good but his style doesn't fit Black Sabbath at all.

There are a ton of better drummers out there that would've fit much better.


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posted by : Theblastmaster
1/12/2013 9:21:21 PM
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Agreed, Brad Wilk is not a strong drummer when it comes to intricate playing. Not a good choice


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posted by : mgr86
1/12/2013 7:37:25 PM
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This whole news is like an april fools joke.


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COMMENT | Actually...
posted by : CGaijin
1/12/2013 7:38:29 PM
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...Listen to Wilk's playing on Audioslave's self-titled debut. Not the next two albums that sucked ass, but the first one that was all right. That record had Sabbath all over it, so I can actually see this working.


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posted by : Rich376
1/12/2013 7:39:01 PM
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The genius that came up with 13 and thought it was original is probably the genius that wanted to call Ozzy's last album 'Soul Sucka'


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posted by : Megamoca coffee
1/12/2013 7:39:25 PM
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I wonder if Mustaine will have a fude with Black Sabbath now for stealing the album title name.


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posted by : Stillofthenight.75
1/13/2013 5:52:11 AM
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Well, then Niezsche should sue Mustaine.


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posted by : Torturetonal
1/12/2013 7:43:17 PM
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Seriously, the more I think about it, the more I like the Brad Wilk choice. He's a lot like Bill, with a little more funk and a little less of Bill's subtle touches. He grooves like a motherfucker, he's a heavy hitter, he really gets into it, just like Bill, and also has few jazzy chops.

Shame about the album title though. It was clearly named by whoever names Ozzy's albums.


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posted by : Torturetonal
1/12/2013 7:45:28 PM
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Mustaine should sue Sharon for the title. The she should sue him for...something else.

The two biggest turds in metal battling it out in court!


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posted by : Rich376
1/12/2013 7:47:40 PM
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We can get them to change the generic album title.

If we bitch about it enough they'll change it, like Ozzy was forced to change the 'Soul Sucka' title a few years ago.


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posted by : Torturetonal
1/12/2013 7:49:36 PM
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'Black Sabbath Vol. 20'


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posted by : zbtrocker
1/12/2013 7:57:31 PM
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Anybody who says Brad Wilk doesn't have swing obviously doesn't know anything about playing the drums. Personally, I think he's a great choice. He has awesome feel and groove. He also plays for the song. I'm personally looking forward to this.


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COMMENT | what about...
posted by : mattbrood666
1/12/2013 8:00:54 PM
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Bobby Blotzer? :P


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posted by : MrCaptainMetal
1/12/2013 8:08:10 PM
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Anyone who is calling out Sabbath because Megadeth put an album out call 13 is a moron. Six Feet Under had one before Megadeth, Blur, The Doors, Anvil has "This is 13". It is a commonly used number. Also, Megadeth's album was called "Th1rt3en".


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/12/2013 9:49:09 PM
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six feet under's 13 album was highly underrated


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posted by : Ronnie Black
1/12/2013 8:11:14 PM
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To the person that said "You can't duplicate the intricacies of Ward drumming." - these days neither can Bill, which I think is the root of why he's not involved in this.


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posted by : JOSHSKORN
1/12/2013 8:18:07 PM
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Who cares who the drummer is, it'll be produced by Rick Rubin. To me, that's already a failure.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : bongwarrior
1/13/2013 1:12:33 PM
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yeah 'coz Reign in Blood sucked didn't it ?


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posted by : JO JO
1/12/2013 8:25:20 PM
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This was sort of leaked on iommi.com in the chat room a few weeks ago. Brad Wilk is a very good drummer.

The 1st album was released Friday February 13th 1970.
Full circle


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:38:01 AM
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Considering that, it would make sense for them to release it on Friday the 13th, September 2013. But I heard it was coming out in June.


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posted by : MarlaHooch
1/12/2013 8:25:27 PM
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No Michael Wilton = NO BLACK SABBATH!!


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posted by : RiotAct666
1/12/2013 8:30:47 PM
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No Bill Ward = No 13


Screw this version of Back Stabbath!!!!!!!!

F $haron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Sadistikexekution
1/13/2013 9:02:20 AM
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For years you have sung praise for the first family of rock 'n roll and now it's F $haron?


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posted by : Sadistikexekution
1/13/2013 9:02:43 AM
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Hypocrite!!!


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COMMENT | It could be worse...
posted by : Zosimus
1/12/2013 8:38:09 PM
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...they could have called the album '666', or even 'Riot Act 666', as a tribute to everyone's favourite online buttmunch. Then there'd be a whole lot of howling up and down this dark Troll Town of a website, I plum reckon.

I think '13' is a perfect name for a Black Sabbath album. It's doomy. Shame the album won't be released prior to me seeing them live here in Australia.

I'm excited!


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COMMENT | Why no Vinnie ?
posted by : taoboxer9
1/12/2013 8:39:48 PM
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What did I miss on that ?


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COMMENT | 'RE: Why no Vinnie ?'
posted by : bongwarrior
1/13/2013 3:02:52 PM
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Vinnie is a robot, no flair or originality.


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COMMENT | That's why
posted by : YtseJam
1/12/2013 8:42:54 PM
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Mike Portnoy cried all night in his bed last year!

No MP = No Black Sabbath!!


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COMMENT | -l-
posted by : I Live In My Mom's Basement
1/12/2013 8:46:06 PM
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I heard bands like this make you worship Satan. They cause school shootings.


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COMMENT | Brad Wilk
posted by : Angrysun316
1/12/2013 8:48:15 PM
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They just wanted someone with the same initials as Bill.


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posted by : reivaj667
1/12/2013 8:50:07 PM
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They shuld have hired a metal legend like Dave Lombardo, Charlie Benante, Nick Menza, Tommy Aldridge, etc.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/13/2013 1:41:42 PM
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vinnie appice wouldve been the ideal choice thats a no-brainer. I cant believe they dissed him for the rage against the Dumbchine drummer.


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posted by : TheKarlMarxAbortion
1/12/2013 8:57:01 PM
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No Eric Singer = no Black Sabbath
No Eric Singer or Ray Gillain = No Black Sabbath OR Badlands
No Bill Ward = No RATM until they get Brad back

am I doing this right?


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Sinister King
1/13/2013 1:05:02 PM
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Ray Gillen is how you spell it. That's doing it right.


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COMMENT | 13?
posted by : sub-sonic
1/12/2013 8:58:26 PM
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Sure, I get it... it's the year, the 13th album, etc... but it still seems kinda lazy. Superstitions would've been a good album title, especially if it had a religious overtone to it, y'know?


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COMMENT | 'RE: 13?'
posted by : JHill
1/13/2013 9:39:38 AM
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Thirteenth album for who?


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COMMENT | 'RE: 13?'
posted by : bongwarrior
1/13/2013 3:04:07 PM
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What thirteenth album ?


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COMMENT | Brad Wilk
posted by : PAddrums
1/12/2013 8:59:26 PM
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They should have tapped Josh Freese to record the new album. He's a machine and can make any drum parts sound solid with groove.


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posted by : Rich376
1/12/2013 9:07:37 PM
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They should've hired Vinnie Paul


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posted by : wsoul1
1/12/2013 9:14:08 PM
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Everyone is a f!@ing expert here on Blabbertards. Bring on "13"!


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posted by : Christonabike
1/12/2013 9:17:50 PM
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13 is the number of fingers and toe's people from Birmingham have .


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posted by : myself
1/12/2013 9:20:15 PM
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Bringing in Brad W is good. It will be fresh and he has a groove. If you listen to some of the early Sabbath tracks, Bill's drums are groovy.
And anyone questioning this, should direct their ire at Butler and Iommi. What you're saying is they haven't got a clue?

Same for Rick Rubin.
Rubin is not the issue, it's his younger engineers that are the issue.
But I can not see Iommi or Butler letting a itunes production sounding noise be released on their say so.

And I hope the album was recorded analogue.

Ozzy's plastic surgery is holding up though, as is Tony's wig.


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posted by : J.Jay
1/12/2013 9:29:24 PM
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WTF?

They choose 13? Less than 2 years since Megadeth releases their album.

Of all the great and legendary drummers they choose this guy??

Rick Rubin to produce?? He's nothing but an overrated hack!!

Seriously, I think they're going senile.


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posted by : bongwarrior
1/13/2013 3:05:04 PM
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Yeah, and it's your opinion that matters.


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posted by : bravo
1/12/2013 9:32:43 PM
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shoulda had Tommy Lee....Soul Sucka beeeatches! Methods of Mayhem 4eva!


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posted by : I_See_Black
1/12/2013 9:45:29 PM
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A very unexpected choice for a drummer, but interesting! Though I personally probably would've picked Danny Carey (Tool) or especially called up Chuck Biscuits (the old bad-ass Danzig drummer) and see if he still plays. Anyway, looking forward to hear a new (classic) Sabbath album! I just hope Rick Rubin doesn't make it sound like Death Magnetic or World Painted Blood.


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COMMENT | Tommy Aldrige
posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/12/2013 9:50:35 PM
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woulve been the best choice. still cannot believe they cut out bill ward from this reunion. Its just not right


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/12/2013 9:56:31 PM
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Ozzy hinted at the name last year. It'd nsmed 23 because of what year it is!


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/12/2013 9:58:12 PM
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"13" sorry


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COMMENT | Rick Rubin
posted by : Evil_Twin
1/12/2013 10:13:11 PM
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So he sat us down and said "It's 1970 and you've just released Black Sabbath. What do you do NEXT?" and we were like "Wow, this guy's fucking brilliant! We need HIM to produce the album!!!"


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COMMENT | 'RE: Rick Rubin'
posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/13/2013 1:15:53 AM
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So he wanted them to rerecord Paranoid haha!!


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posted by : LickMySack
1/12/2013 10:24:41 PM
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Bill Ward is a twat!


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COMMENT | Come on!!
posted by : mamba
1/12/2013 10:25:57 PM
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It's only right that Vinnie Appice take the drummers seat.


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posted by : BillyM67
1/12/2013 10:28:35 PM
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What an uninspired title for the last original recording by the godfathers of heavy metal.....sad....hopefully the actual music is more inspired!


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COMMENT | 'The band displeased with their former employers'
posted by : Glen Tiptons Red Pants
1/12/2013 10:33:46 PM
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On Drums: Bill Ward
On Guitar: KK Downing
On Bass: Jason Newsted
On Vocals: Jeff Tate
Have Mike Portnoy on tap for touring drums incase Bill gets winded.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''The band displeased with their former employers'''
posted by : wastingbeerz
1/12/2013 11:20:57 PM
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Was good until you tried to bring whiny entitled baby drama into it with Portnoy and Tate...


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posted by : bigguytoo9
1/12/2013 10:43:01 PM
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HORRIBLE choice, Vinnie Appice would have been perfect for the job.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : bongwarrior
1/13/2013 3:06:25 PM
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Appice would have been terrible for the job.


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posted by : IMNoMoreLies
1/12/2013 11:13:46 PM
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Now if only Priest and Maiden release a new studio album this year and you have the most metal year in a long time.


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COMMENT | check out my awesome black sabbath group on facebook!
posted by : tterminator22
1/12/2013 11:25:51 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/117044041645819/


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posted by : fishman3226
1/13/2013 12:23:03 AM
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Ozzy looks like he just woke up. Or perhaps it is why he wears glasses all the time.

I would have liked to hear Appice but I am seeing Sabbs in Melbourne and have tickets so all is well.


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/13/2013 1:02:05 AM
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No Bill Ward, no Rage Against The Machine


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COMMENT | the producer
posted by : Power
1/13/2013 1:45:12 AM
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Tony Iommi was asked during a recent interview... how is it working with Rick Rubin?

Tony said all Rick Rubin is doing is listening to what Tony, Geezer and Ozzy have recorded and then giving suggestions. Rick Ruben is probably more of a consulant than a producer.

Tony and Geezer produced Black Sabbath 13


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posted by : Lumps
1/13/2013 2:47:37 AM
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Excited about the album, of course, but the drummer situation is annoying and I don't like the title. But hey, won't complain, too much... just glad to hear an almost original Sabbath line up album making new material.


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COMMENT | im shitting myself because the dumb cunts called the new BS album 13?
posted by : Metalmenace
1/13/2013 3:01:58 AM
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1stly id like to rape sharon Osbournes bumhole really hard....
Then id have them call it Ward 13 in respect of the absence of bill & also there should be a fucking song named after the old stcksman geezer!
RATM drummer? Really? Thats fucked & gay...
Lets face it though, many albums are called 13 in metal....
These here fucking unoriginal signs of shit all tells me that the album will be pretty good but missing the fine element that only BW can ever produce!, So ... Am i right? You fucking know i am ... so please download the cunt instead of buying it out of respect for BW & so Sharon the whore Osbourne doesnt get any more money because shell just blow it on another big black dildo anyway! They should call it Black Cabbage instead cause hats what it will fucking sound like if prick rubin gets hold of it....im out....peace :-/





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COMMENT | Surprised Mike Portnoy didn't want the job......
posted by : Where'sJoePerry?
1/13/2013 3:15:51 AM
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Certainly if Mike Portnoy WANTED to be in the final version of Black Sabbath , he could have had the job.......right ? I mean, no one on this board is gonna say Portnoy doesn't have the chops or pedigree to play with Sabbath , am I correct ?

The other name that I'm surprised didn't come up is Brain Tichy , again - certainly none of the dumbfucks who haunt Blabbermouth are gonna say Tichy isn't good enough to fill Bill Ward's shoes , right ?



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COMMENT | What's going on in Dave Mustaine's head tonight ?
posted by : Where'sJoePerry?
1/13/2013 3:17:32 AM
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....and the other thing I'm wondering is , WHERE'S AXL ROSE ?


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COMMENT | ...
posted by : Metzik
1/13/2013 3:56:46 AM
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Is This Thirteen?


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COMMENT | The name
posted by : HOD
1/13/2013 5:36:37 AM
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At least Thirteen bands used the name before Megadeth. Although a fitting number, there's probably many more that aren't mentioned here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_(disambiguation)


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COMMENT | 13 ?
posted by : baligon
1/13/2013 5:37:27 AM
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I think someone beat em to the punch with that album title, and it wasn't at all original and clever when that bunch did it either. It's pretty generic for a title. But that's pretty irrelevant. It's Black Sabbath.
The drummer? Who Cares? Always thought RATM sucked on donkey balls collectively. Maybe he's been practicing. Give him a chance. He's never been in a good band before.
Can't get sucked into this BS about Bill Ward or Sharon Osbourne drama. There's a new CEO for McDonald's also. No Ozzy toys in those Happy Meals yet. But maybe they will be able to bring back the McRib for a limited time. And Mr. Ward will be in tow.


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COMMENT | Ward demanded 13x$ offered...for his mediocre skills.
posted by : InThroughTheOutDoor
1/13/2013 6:00:53 AM
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Ward is no Moon, Bonham, etc, don't understand his overrating. At least with this drummer they may pull me in to a show... Ward may be at the Phil Collins level, minus the bottle behind his drum kit. Iommi is Sabbath, no Iommi, no Sabbath.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Ward demanded 13x$ offered...for his mediocre skills.#'
posted by : dblbass
1/13/2013 8:38:06 AM
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Bill just can't do it anymore. He's no spring chicken. That's your answer right there.


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COMMENT | Could have killed the controversy
posted by : Icarus21
1/13/2013 6:24:14 AM
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Bill Ward in his prime was outstanding. Go to YouTube and watch him in the Paris 1970 concert. He was a legendary drummer from day one thru Heaven and Hell. They could have killed the controversy and maintained some semblance of legitimacy if they simply hired Appice. Dumb in my opinion. The album name is lame at best. Again, this album is very high risk towards tarnishing the legacy. I will buy the disc but sense it will end up a beer coaster along side Ozzy's last weak solo effort.


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COMMENT | 13 Steps to Nowhere
posted by : Hemiskull
1/13/2013 6:30:32 AM
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Money grubin whores.


First Day Burner


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posted by : DTC
1/13/2013 6:44:01 AM
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Wow, now that's a surprise, but a pleasant one. Brad Wilk is a hell of a groove machine, he's the total opposite to Clufetos who is more the flashy kind of drummer. Excellent choice. Can't wait. Fuck the haters!


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COMMENT | I'll listen first before passing judgement
posted by : marc61
1/13/2013 7:43:44 AM
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I've heard plenty of bands record albums with members I didn't think fit only to find out they did. I'll give it a listen, even though they ripped off a song title "God is Dead" from Carnivore, who was a heavily Sabbath influenced band.


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COMMENT | God is dead ?!? - If it wasn't for God, Ozzy would be dead...
posted by : Tahuti
1/13/2013 8:02:49 AM
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After 40 years of wishing "God bless you all" at the shows from Ozzy and on top of that two of the three guys wearing a huge cross at the above picture, there comes a song called "God is dead" ?!? Are these guys ever thinking....?!?!?!


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COMMENT | 'RE: God is dead ?!? - If it wasn''t for God, Ozzy would be dead...'
posted by : angelus1
1/13/2013 8:22:03 AM
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How do you know it's not Ironic?

All you have is a title, not the actual content. In fact, it's a-holes like you who have been trashing Sabbath since 1969 for what they *Think* they know about Sabbath's music. It's a very fitting title in that respect.



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COMMENT | 'RE: God is dead ?!? - If it wasn''t for God, Ozzy would be dead...'
posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/13/2013 8:34:30 AM
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It's only a song


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posted by : Sadistikexekution
1/13/2013 8:26:45 AM
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This whole reunion is a bad joke that keeps getting worse.
I had expected so much more from Iommi and Butler.


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COMMENT | Really?
posted by : Drums 14
1/13/2013 8:38:19 AM
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Wow, they are having this drummer record with them? What is going on? I'm pretty much done with this reunion fiasco. I will not buy the album with a drummer like that on it. Whose idea was this? The producer? Sharon Osbourne? Tony? Geezer? And as far as this Bill Ward thing goes, he has quit and tuned his back on the band before, even in the middle of a tour... so let's not just take Ward's word as the gospel. They are all at fault... and with the announcement of this 5th grade drummer, it just caps it off for me as a total disaster.


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posted by : Master Farmer
1/13/2013 8:59:07 AM
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Would it kill them to ask Vinnie Appice instead of Mickey Mouse on drums?
O wait, Appice played in DIO fronted BS, cunt Sharon would not approve of him.


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posted by : Leonard Rockstein
1/13/2013 9:08:15 AM
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Album title sucks, but Tony and Geezer will make an beast out of this album. Just don't fuck this up Rubin!


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posted by : Ashes In Your Mouth
1/13/2013 9:20:07 AM
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WHO??????????????????????????????????????????????????? Grabbing some new school poser has to be the biggest joke yet from Tony.



Man what a joke that whole 11/11/11 thing has turned out to me on us the fans.


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posted by : DEVASTATOR
1/13/2013 10:05:34 AM
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I didn't think they could get anyone worse than Tommy Clufetos.

I was wrong.


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posted by : Trust The Rebel
1/13/2013 10:12:42 AM
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vinnie paul should drop crappy hell yeah and join sabbath full time . then sabbath would a killer drummer and and living legend behind the kit. Mike borbin would have been a better choice also
maybe even Tommy lee


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posted by : Trust The Rebel
1/13/2013 10:19:26 AM
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I think the back lash on the title will force them to change it.. ozzy announced his last album was going to be called soul sucker and every thought it was black slang from the the 70's not a demon sucking your soul and they changed the name. u might see that happen again here .


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COMMENT | What about Jason Bonham?
posted by : MysisterlookslikeLemmy
1/13/2013 10:35:17 AM
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Then I'd be more interested. I have been a Sabbath fan since the age of 10, 39 years ago. They have been a part of my youth growing up and got me through a lot of teenage usual b.s. Even though I am not happy about this drummer fiasco, I feel I owe them for what they've done for me. I'll buy it on day 1.


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COMMENT | shoulda used Jorn Lande
posted by : cutter
1/13/2013 10:43:09 AM
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Iommi should have stuck with the heaven n hell line-up and just added Jorn Lande on vocals and made a kick ass dark album.


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posted by : Ronnie Black
1/13/2013 11:14:39 AM
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I don't know if ex-Priest drummer Les Binks still plays, but he'd have been a great fit. Vinnie Appice shoulda got the gig, but he'd be considered a "Dio guy" by the Osbournes so no way..


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COMMENT | Ozzy = Lawsuit
posted by : Rocco68
1/13/2013 11:17:30 AM
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If Ozzy is in the picture then there is also a lawsuit not very far :).
We won't buy this record ! For what ? It's a slap in the face .


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COMMENT | Audioslave
posted by : Hemiskull
1/13/2013 11:33:42 AM
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Now i know the dude he's the drummer with the nervous twitch. His left shoulder keeps jumping up and down.

No Carmen Appice = No Vanilla Fudge


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posted by : DTC
1/13/2013 11:38:03 AM
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Bunch of morons, most of you... Brad Wilk has a very 70s sound and feeling to his drumming. He's a heir of that era. What were you expecting? Vinnie Paul? With his trigged-to-the-tits, flashy arse sound? Clufetos would've been better staying on board in that case! LOL


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/13/2013 12:21:13 PM
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From what I was told Rick didn't feel Tommy fit for what he wanted the album to sound like. They auditioned many,many drummers and Brad apparently fit best.


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posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/13/2013 1:38:10 PM
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VINNIE APPICE?! I cant believe he didint get the job who's more qualified than he is to play for bill ward.


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COMMENT | still looking forward to the album
posted by : jim siedow
1/13/2013 1:11:35 PM
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but a mediocre at best choice in wilk for the drums.
i can not believe they couldnt get anyone better than that guy.
but hey, i'll give it a shot.


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posted by : Machine Dead
1/13/2013 1:12:37 PM
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Brad Wilk = Bill Ward with a K


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COMMENT | ^^^
posted by : stoneage
1/13/2013 1:33:13 PM
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I was going to say they needed a BW drummer, but that is better. One letter away from the same letters in the name.


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posted by : cucaracha
1/13/2013 1:42:04 PM
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Rather see peter criss playing drums.


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posted by : derpdederp
1/13/2013 1:46:57 PM
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hmmm... I dunno man I have mixed feelings about this drummer choice...let's just say , I hope it doesn't suck


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COMMENT | you're all haters
posted by : Gaberog
1/13/2013 1:48:03 PM
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Sometimes full reunions just don't work out, keep an open mind and see what they put out....it might just kick ass. I'm going to hold back all criticism until I hear this thing.


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COMMENT | Fuck all y'all.
posted by : Another Generic Username 666
1/13/2013 2:54:13 PM
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Look all at all the fucks I don't give about who the drummer is.

Go on, look at them.


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posted by : blackwaterparkisamasterpiece
1/13/2013 3:34:28 PM
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Should of called it ".75"


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posted by : Mob Rules
1/13/2013 4:19:16 PM
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Appice said in an interview he didn't wanted the job. Tommy Aldridge is a good fit, his playing on Speak of the Devil was very good.


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posted by : Mob Rules
1/13/2013 4:19:16 PM
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Appice said in an interview he didn't wanted the job. Tommy Aldridge is a good fit, his playing on Speak of the Devil was very good.


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COMMENT | Drums are a physical instrument
posted by : wild rover of hell
1/13/2013 4:42:02 PM
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Better not to have a dinosaur in there.

They should have gotten Lars though. He'd rock that shit and force them to write good songs PLUS they'd be able to ditch Rubin.


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COMMENT | They should have gotten JP Gaster from Clutch
posted by : overkill1978
1/13/2013 5:08:53 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HUnPu7HiWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQeYedV8lv4


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COMMENT | Think Will can't swing?
posted by : Sumac
1/13/2013 5:21:07 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nw3gzAnBiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s76YymqHDNs


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posted by : Ashes In Your Mouth
1/13/2013 5:35:39 PM
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Damn judging by that photo alone I would be surprised if Tony or Ozzy live long enough to see this album completed and tour. That is really sad I really hope to see them live again just one more time.

I wonder if this kid will do the touring also??? Never heard of this guy but he better be a Ward disciple to at least make you feel like its a classic Sabbath album. I'll never understand the thinking of Iommi!


I bet they change the title also. I don't see it lasting.


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posted by : Ashes In Your Mouth
1/13/2013 5:42:02 PM
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So once again I gotta ask why in the hell did they do that massive world wide press conference on 11/11/11 with the original 4 members????????




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posted by : chuck steak
1/13/2013 5:50:18 PM
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WHAT THE FUCK? Rage Against The Machine drummer? Wasn't that one of those horrid "bands" put together by the record label to sell "teen rebellion" and flannel shirts or something. The "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" song and all that. If so why in the hell does that get into the world of Sabbath????


This is gonna be a travesty,


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Loud'nHeavy
1/13/2013 8:20:25 PM
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this is precisely how I feel. i wonder's who's bright idea it was to recruit the drummer from RATM one of the worst bands from the 90s. BUT no matter who's in this band as long as Iommi and Butler are writing the music it will be good


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COMMENT | not one dime from me.
posted by : rando
1/13/2013 6:10:22 PM
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He's better than that robotic fool from Ozzy's band, but it still seems like these guys are fully committed to pissing off their entire fan base just for the hell of it.


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posted by : urALLidiots
1/13/2013 6:20:25 PM
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"First album just came out. What do you do next?" So they're re-releasing Paranoid... again?

Rick Rubin uses the same formula for every band. Puts on their first album and says, "recreate this... and here's by bill for $10 million."


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COMMENT | RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE????????????????
posted by : Night_Prowler
1/13/2013 6:49:11 PM
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BLACK SABBATH have JUST LOST every single OUNCE of ANY CREDIBILITY that they MIGHT have had left.

next.


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COMMENT | best posts
posted by : rando
1/13/2013 6:50:02 PM
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My thanks to Christonabike for making me laugh uncontrollably with possibly the most brilliant post ever.

And also to Sumac for the isolated Youtube audio clips of Wilk's drumming. It makes me think he might have the feel, but it's still quite simplistic compared to Ward's drum parts. Interesting, so thanks, but I'm still not sold.


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COMMENT | REALLY!!! I CAN'T WAIT T'ILL JUNE!
posted by : ozzy.1
1/13/2013 8:19:34 PM
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I'm pretty sure that this new record will sound like old Sabbath.

I mean with those 3 guys,it can't be bad.Hope to see you guys in Quebec city for the summer festival.

God bless you!


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COMMENT | HEY HATERS GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!
posted by : ozzy.1
1/13/2013 8:55:09 PM
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Jesus Christ,is it a competition of who is the most retarded ass hole here or what?
I mean, it's Black Sabbath without Bill,
They deserved respect!

Sure you haters are fuckin Americans,cause only Americans can be retarded like you.


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COMMENT | 13?
posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger
1/13/2013 10:25:24 PM
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Maybe it is the 13th batch of songs Sabbath has tried writing with Ozzy since the 1999 reunion tour?


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COMMENT | Wilk
posted by : TJ_1979
1/14/2013 3:07:37 AM
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I'm not one of those guys who absolutely NEED Bill Ward. I like all the drummers that's been involved with Sabbath ...so far.

I thought I'd give this Brad Wilk character a chance. But seriously, judging by the things I listened to on youtube (audioslave etc.) they couldn't have found a more boring and soul-less cymbal smasher.

I mean, it seems like he's got two tricks. Hitting the toms, and smashing the hell out of the cymbals. So I think it's pretty obvious that we ain't getting a early 70's styled Sabbath album, where the drums had a life of it's own.


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posted by : mouthinhook
1/14/2013 5:50:01 AM
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that they couldn't come to an agreement and get the entire classic line-up to record the album is the ultimate reason why they shouldn't be recording a new album... if you can't do it for the right reasons you better not do it at all!


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COMMENT | NO CLUFETOS = NO BLACK SABBATH
posted by : mouthinhook
1/14/2013 5:55:20 AM
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you read it...


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COMMENT | Check out the best BLACK SABBATH PAGE on FB!
posted by : Johnny_boy_Angel
1/14/2013 7:29:34 AM
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Not that this guy is bad, but of all the choices of Sabbath alumni or more appropriate drummers in the fold?

For anybody interested...

The best Black Sabbath page on fb - every era, album, member, and historical note


https://www.facebook.com/groups/Complete.Black.Sabbath/


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COMMENT | Brad Wilk is an amazing drummer. A surprising, but great, choice
posted by : electric-mombie
1/14/2013 8:07:49 AM
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It'll be interesting to hear how he sounds on the new Sabbath album.


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posted by : wizardofdoom1975
1/14/2013 9:13:54 AM
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New Sabbath, I'll take it, too bad Ward's out but I think he's partially to blame. I think Wilk is a better drummer than people give him credit for.


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posted by : wizardofdoom1975
1/14/2013 9:18:11 AM
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here's a taste of Wilk's abilities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFbrB95QXS8


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COMMENT | Bill's to blame.
posted by : Another Generic Username 666
1/14/2013 9:48:02 AM
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He agreed to do the reunion. 11/11/11 rings a bell, I think I recall him showing up in public, doing photo shoots and a press conference agreeing to be a part of the reunion, if memory serves. I'd imagine there's something online to back it up, as well.

So Bill quit after 11/11/11, apparently? Because he decided ONLY THEN, after promising both the fans and his bandmates that he would participate, that he didn't like the money and wants more? And THEN he goes online looking for sympathy about it? I seem to recall something about that too, and I'd imagine there's probably evidence for that online as well.

This is a guy who's had how many heart attacks now? A guy you can barely prop up in the studio to play let alone actually complete a world tour with based solely on his failing health issues? Probably something online about that, too.

You know, come to think of it, I recall Bill actually leaving Sabbath before, too. Once in the middle of a tour in 1980. Once after recording an album in 1983. Again in 1984 after the show with Ozzy at Live Aid. Again in 1993 after the Costa Mesa show. Again in 1994 after touring South America with them. Oh yeah, and I seem to recall him agreeing to be a part of the Heaven & Hell band with Butler, Iommi and Dio, only to then go public and quit THAT project shortly after it was announced, too.

I wonder if there's a track pattern to be seen here?

Yeah, any fucktard saying that "It's all $haron's fault!" and/or "Tony and Geezer are being greedy!" just really doesn't know their Black Sabbath history too well, I'm afraid. Getting down to the bare bones of it, Sabbath is, was and always has been Tony's band and he's always, ALWAYS, left the door open for Bill to come and go as he pleases.

Precisely WHY, when Bill's about as unreliable a character as you're bound to get, is beyond me.

I have no sympathy for Bill. I don't think he deserves any more money than what he was offered (and he was probably lucky to get THAT much). He's a complete liability both in the studio and on the road. When it comes to Black Sabbath's original lineup, he's the least important element to their sound. Black Sabbath has had about 11 drummers behind the kit since 1970 (Ward, Appice, Bevan, Singer, Chimes, Powell, Rondinelli, Bordin, Larkin, Clufetos and now Wilk).

This is still very much BLACK SABBATH and Bill Ward really has nobody to blame but himself for not being a part of it. The fans DO have somebody to blame for him not being a part of it, and their names are not Iommi, Butler or Osbourne. His name, since most of you are too dumb to figure out who's left, is Ward.

The good news is that Bill can pick up his phone any time he likes and call Tony, and Tony will ABSOLUTELY let him back in the band. He always has.

You want somebody to blame? Blame Bill. Don't buy HIS next album.

Then again, you weren't going to anyway, were you?


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COMMENT | I found this bit a little while ago, which is interesting:
posted by : electric-mombie
1/14/2013 12:58:44 PM
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Bill was offered a contract for the same amount as the rest of the band but it had several stipulations he had to meet to get the full amount, complete all scheduled tour dates, lay down his drum parts in a reasonable amount of time, stuff like that to ensure old issues with bill didn't come up again. bill wanted all the money up front like the rest and wouldn't sign the contract he was offered.

That sounds plausible, somehow..


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COMMENT | electric-mombie
posted by : Another Generic Username 666
1/14/2013 9:49:15 PM
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Pretty much matches everything that Geezer hinted at when he went public and made his statement. Also kinda lines up with Bill's history, too.


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posted by : IrishConnor94
1/15/2013 2:14:39 AM
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Check out this article, it has all of the latest details on the new Sabbath record
http://www.therocknmetalblog.blogspot.ca/2013/01/black-sabbath-announce-new-album-title.html


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