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GENE SIMMONS: 'This Should Have Been The Lineup Of KISS From The Beginning' - Nov. 11, 2012
In a brand new interview with Revolver magazine KISS members Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons spoke about the making of the band's latest album, "Monster", their second in a row to feature a lineup rounded out by guitarist Tommy Thayer and drummer Eric Singer.

"We're so comfortable now, this should have been KISS always: Tommy, Eric, Paul and myself," Simmons said. "We like each other's company, we like playing onstage with each other. And the creative process is just second skin. We could have just as easily gone into the studio and done another record."

He added later in the interview, "I want to go on record: Eric and Tommy have revitalized the band, made Paul and myself realize what lucky bastards we are to be in KISS and to have each other. And this should have been the lineup of KISS from the beginning."

Asked if they are bothered when people complain about founding KISS members Ace Frehley and Peter Criss not being in the band anymore, Simmons said, "Almost nobody does. When you have 3-year-old and 5-year-old fans showing up to our concerts — or even 30-year-old fans — they don't know about Ace and Peter. I mean, next year is going to be our 40th year. We've been touring longer than most of the people who come see us live have been alive. Who's Ace and Peter? By the way, bless 'em both — what I just said doesn't mean that Ace and Peter weren't every bit as important as Paul and myself in the beginning of the band, but not everybody has the same DNA. Some people shouldn't be in a marathon race. They're just not designed for it. Some people are good for short runs."

"Eric's been in and out of the band for 20-some-odd years. And Tommy, too," added Stanley. "The only people who would complain, I think, are people who don't really follow the band at this point. The myth that sometimes surrounds the original lineup is purely myth. Some of it was of our own doing. The whole projecting the idea that it was four guys giving equally. Quite honestly, it was kind of our take on THE BEATLES: four guys that spend all their time together and run down the street jumping up in the air. But it's not a reality. And maybe part of the problem was that some of the guys in the band really bought into believing it. The band always had two people who were leading it and the idea that anybody is entitled to having songs on an album is crazy."

On the topic of why they think they felt like they had to project those myths in the early days, Stanley said, "Well, l think there was a certain amount of truth to it. Just in the sense of you have a band and there's a certain camaraderie, but there's also a sensitivity factor to people feeling minimized or left out. So to avoid that, we sometimes gave people more than their due. In those days, Gene and I shared our songwriting l with those guys because we didn't ever want it to be an issue that anybody was making more money than the other and therefore wanting songs on the album. Well. it obviously didn't work. [laughs] The only thing l did was give money away. [laughs] But all that being said, I've said it before. I'll say it again — we couldn't be here today without what Ace and Peter did in the beginning, and we couldn't be here today if they were still in the band."

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COMMENT | Huh?
posted by : megarockradio
11/11/2012 7:51:05 PM
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Umm...Singer would have been what..ten or 11 when Kiss started?

Yeah, that would have been a great show to watch. SMH.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Huh?'
posted by : rac1965
11/12/2012 12:39:12 AM
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Even at that age Singer was most likely a way better drummer than Criss!


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COMMENT | When you have 3-year-old and 5-year-old fans showing up to our concerts
posted by : mranthrope
11/11/2012 8:00:52 PM
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It shows just how much of a comic book rock band that you are.


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COMMENT | 'RE: When you have 3-year-old and 5-year-old fans showing up to our concerts'
posted by : Evil_Twin
11/11/2012 10:25:41 PM
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Kiss Disney On Parade


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COMMENT | 'RE: When you have 3-year-old and 5-year-old fans showing up to our concerts'
posted by : seance.blogg.se
11/12/2012 3:04:08 AM
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Lots of people take their kids to see bands like KISS, Iron Maiden,Judas Priest,Metallica,Aerosmith,Black Sabbath e.t.c. kind of pass on the legacy


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COMMENT | get
posted by : laggerlugger
11/11/2012 8:02:33 PM
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over it people! who else would know better than gene and paul what went on with the band? they gave ace and peter 2 shots at the big time and they blew both of them. so they are supposed to fold up and not continue on because 2 guys could not cut it? they were suppose to act like nothing was wrong and continue to let the other 2 put songs that sucked on the records? it is their band and if you do not like it then do not listen to them or buy the music or whatever else they sell. just stop trashing them for telling the truth about what went down with the other 2. Ace and paul were always my favorites but while he has made decent music on his own it is never consistent and peter has done nothing without the band so he should be the last guy to cry. sorry they had rough upbringings but they made money off it in the end with their books so enough crying!


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COMMENT | 'RE: get'
posted by : Big Ol' Titties
11/11/2012 9:14:02 PM
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Well at least you're not a fanboy.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : dario_argento_is_god
11/11/2012 8:08:05 PM
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yea gene, your HUGE selling new cd really speaks volumes about the current state of affairs. Rush, a band who trades on musicianship and songwriting skills alone sold a third more cd's than your band. All without makeup, figures, and god knows what else. And ace and peter, no matter what shells of their former selves they have become are the only thing that made kiss cool at all. Another slap in the face that ace and peter did not deserve from their former bandmates. Shameful.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : PatrickS77
11/12/2012 2:01:59 AM
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Seriously?? Peter Criss made Kiss more cool than Gene Simmons?? Yeah, right!


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : seance.blogg.se
11/12/2012 2:30:52 AM
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Outside U.S.A. KISS new album outsold RUSH new album by far. RUSH new album didn?t even make top twenty in most countries. Why compare RUSH and KISS two great bands that does there own thing great.

Outside U.S.A. KISS sells more albums than RUSH, Van Halen, Aerosmith.

Van Halen are great btw!


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Stiltskin
11/12/2012 7:23:04 AM
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Monster sold 31K over the world last week. The week before 48K, and the first week it sold 113K. It wont take long until the sales stop entirely or just about. So much for the success of Monster.
Even Sonic Boom sold better, and that one wasnt a success either.
It wont help with stupid comments from Gene like this one that clearly alienates them from the old fans.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: #'''''''
posted by : SkyLoLow
11/12/2012 6:51:57 PM
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Or maybe the more logical reason for a decline in sales is that high speed internet is now available in almost every corner of the world.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : dblbass
11/12/2012 3:23:19 AM
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FUCKIN' RUSH???? Yeah....that's some entertainment.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : stevemcsteve
11/11/2012 8:14:54 PM
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But....Ace Frehley is one of the main reasons people liked Kiss.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : rac1965
11/12/2012 12:40:46 AM
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Yes, with his sloppy leads he was a highlight! Crap guitarist! Everyone that has come after druggie Ace has been better!


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Space Ace
11/12/2012 8:51:02 PM
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you're a fuckwit....


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COMMENT | Um....
posted by : extolthechrist
11/11/2012 8:23:25 PM
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Their highest charting single was written by Peter, and Ace's songwriting contributions were central to making sure the deep cuts on the classic albums weren't filler. "Gold Gin?" Lets not forget, Ace also proved his value to Kiss when his solo album outsold the others. They were also ALL really great showmen, creating iconic characters. Peter and Ace brought the Cat and Spaceman to life. Ace also created the iconic logo. It's Gene and Paul who are re-writing history, not Ace and Peter.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Um....'
posted by : rac1965
11/12/2012 12:41:47 AM
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KISS will ALWAYS be Gene and Paul, all others are replaceable!


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COMMENT | Yup
posted by : spaceace69
11/11/2012 8:23:58 PM
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Gene has finally shown some senility. The new cd kicks ass but KISS wouldn't be what they are now without the original four. That is just such a ridiculous statement on more than one level. More power to ya for being sober your entire life, but so has my brother basically and he sure as shit says and does some stupid shit sometimes. It's obvious to me ACE had a few issues before he even had a drink. Considering that and what he ingested on top of that he's a winner in my book.


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COMMENT | Coma99
posted by : coma99
11/11/2012 8:24:44 PM
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Talk about the ultimate in disrespect.

I don't even like KISS and I know that's wrong.


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COMMENT | ok
posted by : NYBassman1
11/11/2012 8:31:06 PM
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Gene and Paul started kiss. I was listening to Wicked Lester's "Love Her All I Can.". It sounded like it should have been in the soundtrack from Hair. Add Ace and Peter, totally different song. Seeing as Tommy copies Ace, if he joined Gene and Paul in the beginning, who would he have copied? Sorry, but much as I admire Gene and Paul as musicians, they are full of crap.


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COMMENT | Focus
posted by : 5150NY
11/11/2012 8:34:48 PM
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I absolutely LOVE KISS, but even I take exception to this kind of crap.

If they want to say, "The current lineup is great, and we're kicking ass," fine with me. But to qualify it by bashing (once again) two original band members just seems cheap and crass.

MONSTER is a very good album... but GS and PS, you'd be long relegated to other jobs (maybe successful ones) if it weren't for the original lineup. So, stop trashing that and praising it at the same time.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : BillyM67
11/11/2012 8:49:22 PM
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I have to disagree with Gene on this one. Though I like the current lineup and think Monster is a really good record, as a long time fan I don't like it when he down plays Ace and Peter's creative input on the first six studio records or constantly brings up the drinking and drugs....it's over, move on, but don't forget who helped get you here. It's pretty simple: No Ace and Peter 74-78, no Kiss today!


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posted by : deerock
11/11/2012 8:53:08 PM
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Shut the fuck up Gene, KISS wouldn't have sounded the way it has if it weren't for Ace's and Peter's contribution. KISS 70's records sounded awesome the way it was, not the way it should have been. Dipshit.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : moogy
11/11/2012 8:55:44 PM
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"not to diminish the hard work and creative efforts of peter and ace, but, you know, fuck them both up the ass."

-gene simmons.


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COMMENT | Fuck u
posted by : ryan05
11/11/2012 9:03:26 PM
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Fuck u Simmons! U ungrateful bastard - respect the past idiot!


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COMMENT | #
posted by : RighteousAct666
11/11/2012 9:10:50 PM
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The fact that Gene keeps trying to qualify the current line up by bashing the original one shows 2 things. 1. He has insecurities about 2 guys in the wrong make-up 2. He knows the die hards just aren't buying it.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:14:42 AM
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You're right. We're not buying it. Half a tribute band kiss sucks. singer and thayer blow goats.


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COMMENT | Gene I
posted by : JPACHALEN
11/11/2012 9:13:24 PM
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hope your'e reading this. How many gigs has Spiro done for you. When I read that Spiro was your assistant it suddenly dawned on me, in that the only member of Kiss that is irreplaceable is Paul Stanley. Yes Ace and Peter made mistakes, that much has been documented. And you Gene have never failed to remind them. The original four were unique in their personalities which made them the band they were. Everyone can be replaced except Stanley. Yes Paul you win.


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COMMENT | HE'S RIGHT
posted by : destructivesounds
11/11/2012 9:13:44 PM
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That way we never would have heard of them.



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COMMENT | PROFOUND PAUL
posted by : destructivesounds
11/11/2012 9:17:04 PM
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Regarding fans who want original lineup:
"The only people who would complain, I think, are people who don't really follow the band at this point."

Good work Sherlock!



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COMMENT | 'RE: PROFOUND PAUL'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:16:23 AM
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Wonder if the ass wipe has caught on to why we don't give a shit about kiss anymore? I doubt it.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : Warlockaxe
11/11/2012 9:31:22 PM
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Eric can stay, but please get rid of Tommy. He is a damn boring guitar player. Bring back Vinnie Vincent!!


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : RiotAct666
11/11/2012 9:33:21 PM
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Vinnie won't be back anytime soon. He tried to sue Gene & Paul a few times for royalties, But failed & lost twice.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : RiotAct666
11/11/2012 9:31:39 PM
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Thank god they weren't apart of the glory years of Kiss in the 70's

Ace & Peter > Those other scabs.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Evil_Twin
11/11/2012 9:37:02 PM
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You go Girl!


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COMMENT | I'm confused
posted by : Evil_Twin
11/11/2012 9:36:27 PM
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Who are these Ace & Peter characters they speak of?


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COMMENT | Let's see...
posted by : jonrocks16
11/11/2012 9:48:05 PM
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No Ace and No Pete
r=No Cold Gin, Parasite , Shock Me, Ace's best selling solo album and most importantly Beth which no matter how much I may dislike the song, I still have to
admit saved Des
troyer from bein
g a sales disappointment. Count your blessings Gene.


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COMMENT | One does not simply walk into JB Hi-Fi.
posted by : Zosimus
11/11/2012 10:03:10 PM
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Gene telling another long story with his long tongue, while Paul still sits about with stars in his eyes...

God bless them. I'll be catching them next year with Motley Crue.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : metallicat81
11/11/2012 10:10:23 PM
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Ace doesn't want to be in Kiss anyway. He's said all along that the farewell tour was suppose to be just that. They've tried to get Ace back twice since the farewell & he told Gene & Paul that he's not interested!

Move on Gene...because Ace did years ago.


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COMMENT | Fuck you Gene
posted by : bullwhip
11/11/2012 10:20:04 PM
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Just fuck you.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Fuck you Gene'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:18:35 AM
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Yeah right in the damn ass.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : Rich376
11/11/2012 10:22:45 PM
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Yeah, Eric and Tommy should've been in the band from the very start. Except for the fact, that in 1974 when the first Kiss album was released.

Eric Singer was 16 years old.
Tommy Thayer was 14 years old.

But, don't forget that Peter Criss wrote the bands biggest hit in the 70's 'Beth' and their 2nd biggest hit was 'New York Groove' from Ace Frehley's 1978 solo album.


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COMMENT | $immon$ & $tanley...
posted by : Space Ace
11/11/2012 10:23:33 PM
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...are so full of shit. They may have done more work behind the scenes nut if it wasn't for Ace & Peter's major contributions, they would be nobodies in today's world. Take the high road for once you greedy fuckers...


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posted by : Evil_Twin
11/11/2012 10:27:45 PM
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Gene just says this shit to get a rise out of people. He's like the "blabbermouth" of Kiss!


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COMMENT | Monster sucks
posted by : JJJB
11/11/2012 10:41:23 PM
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Gene is wrong.

Thank god music is free.


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posted by : dirthead
11/11/2012 10:46:22 PM
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Gene...always a breath of stale air


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COMMENT | If it wasn't for Ace & Pete...
posted by : SHARONOSBOURNE'SPUSSY SMELLS
11/11/2012 11:58:30 PM
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I never would've been a kiss fan and I stopped being one when Pete and Ace stopped giving a shit cuz the two egomaniacs were turning the band into a fucking joke.


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COMMENT | wtf
posted by : Mrspeed1977
11/12/2012 12:02:21 AM
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No, I don't agree with Gene. Tommy and Eric just don't have the magic that Ac and Peter had. Kiss would't be Kiss without them. The problem is that Ace and Peter are too damaged mentally and physically to continue the band. Therefore why would Gene and Paul get fucked because those two decided along the years to damaged them self beyond repair. Don't get me wrong I love and prefer the 70's lineup, but I know that's not possible because of Ace and Peter's mistakes. I'm still hoping that Gene and Paul would come up with new characters for Tommy and Eric. The old fans would love that and the new fans wouln't not care.


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COMMENT | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
posted by : Marilyn_Manson
11/12/2012 12:42:35 AM
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"This Should Have Been The Lineup Of KISS From The Beginning"....................................................
........................................................SURE!


Two indigent lackies who sweep the stage after every show and help load road cases . . . . and Gene & Paul - the two Jews who reap the Reward$ Makes sense Gene! I get it now.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:21:12 AM
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You got it.


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COMMENT | ...
posted by : Rob Onez
11/12/2012 12:46:16 AM
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That has to be one of the most retarded statements I've read from Gene Simmons so far.


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posted by : blakm
11/12/2012 1:07:46 AM
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God damn Gene is a fool! Whether or not Ace played sloppy or not, HE influenced sooo many people to pick up the guitar and lots of those people went on to be even better all around players. Dimebag anyone? To slag him or Peter off is just retarded. Gene knows its retared too or he wouldnt have to say "theyre both great guys". Bullshit Gene, bullshit. Lets see how many songs from Monster stand the test of time. I dare say none will. God damn I hate Gene and the way he thinks about the music, its all about the bag of cash for him...always. Im not the biggest Kiss fan but even I have more respect for what those guys did than Gene does apparently.


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posted by : PVH5150
11/12/2012 2:00:54 AM
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Get back Bruce Kulick and make a real album, like Carnival of Souls.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:22:42 AM
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That grunge sounding shit sucked. Worst album they ever made.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : Voice Of Sanitry
11/12/2012 2:15:00 AM
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What he means is, 'This should have been the pay structure from the beginning'


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Evil_Twin
11/12/2012 2:54:16 AM
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hahaha, exactly, you hit the nail on the head there!


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COMMENT | Man, it just gets worse and worse
posted by : vitalsign
11/12/2012 2:19:53 AM
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Some points to consider.

1.) Gene, we as consumers of your music (I myself no longer included) don't give a fuck how much "a breath of fresh air" Tommy and Eric is or how much more enjoyable it is to be in Kiss with them. Good for you asshole.

2.) Ace and Peter had their addictions. Those are well chronicled. You also had yours we hardly ever hear about... you were an asshole sex addict with probably some pedophelia thrown in banging 16 year old girls or younger, you fucking pervert. While drug and alcohol abuse do affect the people around you... your sexual addiction may have done far more in psychological damage to more people.

3.) You, Gene, are just as replaceable. Your singing isn't anything special, your bass playing skills are adequate but again, nothing special. I could truly see someone like Blackie Lawless from Wasp (a friend of Ace's btw) replacing you and hardly anyone would notice.

4.) Again, I issue you this challenge. If this lineup is so fucking great than the original lineup then put your money where your asshole is and embark on a world tour as the sole headliner. You can even get whoever you want to open for you. Get 2 opening bands even. I fucking guarantee you'd lose millions.

5.) How many albums in total to this date has ANY post classic Kiss album sold compared to Alive I, Destroyer, R & RO, Love Gun and Alive II? Care to compare album sales of SB and Monster? For that matter, let's also compare attendance records for all shows on each tour up till now.

6.) Have you no shame? Ace's contributions are undeniable and what your attempting is historical revisionism. Clearly, Frehley was a major factor in KIss's popularity and a point of contention for yourself and Stanley. Neither of you will admit it but you're both fucking jealous of him... Tommy on the other hand... well how could either of you be threatened by him? Someone who is used to taking orders from you. (Food orders mostly).


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COMMENT | 'RE: Man, it just gets worse and worse'
posted by : Evil_Twin
11/12/2012 2:55:18 AM
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7.) Jebus fucking christ, get a life dude!


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Man, it just gets worse and worse'''
posted by : stubbylater
11/12/2012 9:18:57 AM
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I've counted at least six posts from you on this thread so far and I"m not even to the bottom yet, so look in the fucking mirror. Twat.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: Man, it just gets worse and worse'''''''
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:35:38 AM
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Damn good post. One of the best i've seen on original compared to present day joke.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Man, it just gets worse and worse'
posted by : 80sHairBands
11/12/2012 9:58:41 AM
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7.) (or part of #4)
Play WITHOUT the make-up OR come up with NEW MAKEUP and characters for the scabs. If KISS would have been so much better with them to begin with START OVER... don't continue to live in the time period you're discounting.

ALL 6 points are GREAT. $immons has always been a tool (loved him on the first four albums, he was AWOL in the 80's, and now is reaping (or raping) the long term benefits.


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COMMENT | Good band, but no magic
posted by : frank_the_poet
11/12/2012 2:35:10 AM
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These days, they are the best make up version of Kiss. Live, that is. Thayer and Singer are better musicians than Ace and Peter, but the magic has gone. It might be that in time Kiss have lost the magic, but that little special something is lost. Ace weren´t a great guitarplayer, but he composed some great riffs and songs. They were his signature and can`t be copied. Just listen to "Outer Space" from his latest album. Personally I think Carr and Kulick were the best musicians that ever signed a contract with Gene and Paul. They did things their own way. Carr never tried to copy Criss and he played his ass off. Kulick, loyal as he was, did play the songs right and some of Aces knows parts, but he added things, changed some of it here and there..and on the studio albums he never had to copy anybodys style. He did it HIS way. Ok, Vinnie Vincent never copied anything but it never sounded right either. Just listen to Dr Love on Kissology, live with Vincent on guitar and Carr on drums. Gene having a HARD time with the tempo. That`s just a funny version. They`re still a good band, but the magic is gone. Could be said for a lot of bands, but with Kiss, the make up and everything, the magic is maybe more important than the music. They should have left the make up off after they took it off in 83.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Good band, but no magic'
posted by : 80sHairBands
11/12/2012 10:04:42 AM
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Great post. I've always felt the same way about Carr and Kulick. If we couldn't have Ace and Peter (I don't blame $immon$ and $tanley for them leaving the first time), then Carr and Kulick were GREAT. Not the same classic tunes, but great 80's music. Now the almighty $$$$$ has taken $immons' brain over - and $tanley is now drinking the kool-aid.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Good band, but no magic'''
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:40:17 AM
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Who gives a shit about somebody being a better musician? thayer and singer will never be the caliber of Criss and Frehley.


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11/12/2012 2:37:46 AM
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$immon$ is right!


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COMMENT | Can´t you read KISS haters?
posted by : seance.blogg.se
11/12/2012 2:55:23 AM
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But all that being said, I've said it before. I'll say it again — we couldn't be here today without what Ace and Peter did in the beginning, and we couldn't be here today if they were still in the band."

In a perfect world the original KISS line-up would be together and Peter would play as he did in the glory days and Ace wouldnt been an alcoholic that cared more about drugs and alcohol than music like he did in the end of his era in KISS. Read Peter Criss and Ace Frehleys autobiographys Makeup to Breakup and No Regrets.





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COMMENT | Vitalsign
posted by : maximus severus
11/12/2012 2:55:38 AM
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Spot on vitalsign. Karma has a date with Simmons and Stanley seek solace in that because they truly are vile human beings. The day is fast approaching when they'll embarrass us no more. Monster is junk, way worse than anything else they've done. Sales support that. Ticket sales support that. I grew up a huge fan but this is hard to take this Tommy, Eric stuff. They ain't in Ace and Peters league. Sure they are great musicians but so is my Uncle Al that's never been what Rock n roll KISS style was about. Take Tommy out of make-up and Aces boots and his career is a failure, Eric is a cheap and reliable hack who out of Peter Criss make-up and boots is a failure. To suggest they're input to the KISS legacy is significant is ludicrous. Two poor albums. They are there because they will take a wage and let Simmons and Stanley take all the cash.
KISS are done as of now, mark my words Monster finished them the disastrous tour they will attempt will knock the final nails in the coffin.
Ace and Peter were 50% of the success and 100% Rock n roll. No matter how hard you try we, the true fans know that.
Gene, Paul it's over you're losing it bit by bit and your desperation is palpable. Please go quietly into the night with the modicum of class you have left.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Vitalsign'
posted by : hooplehead
11/13/2012 8:45:13 AM
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"Eric is a cheap and reliable hack who out of Peter Criss make-up and boots is a failure".

Are you kidding me??? This guy has been asked to play with Black Sabbath, Gary Moore, Alice Cooper, Badlands, Avantasia, Brian May, Kiss, etc. Those are some damn good credentials and just shows what little you actually know about the guy. Hack indeed...


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Vitalsign'''
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:43:57 AM
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You're right. He's not a hack. He's a shit session player dressed up like a hard rock legend.


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COMMENT | GENE IS 100% right as always
posted by : Rocknrollreturns
11/12/2012 2:59:04 AM
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ace who???
peter who????

you mean anton fig, dick wagner, bob kulick, they are the real ace and peter because they played MOST OF THIER SONGS !!!!!

lets pawn a few ace and peter fans boys here...

firstly someone above mentioned that ace wrote kiss' second biggest single NEW YORK GROOVE.. ???

like seriously are you for real ? that song was written by russ ballad, first performed by HELLO in 1975, its a COVER SONG !!!
that shows the intelligence of most ace fans, they actually think he wrote that song... (laughs)

peter got lucky with beth, he walked into the studio with some lyrics scribbled on a page and the producer did the rest, yada yada yada..

gene and paul are kiss, the 2 original founding members.



tommy and eric make the best MAKE UP version of kiss.
both peter and ace are drug taking, broke bums who got lucky they met paul and gene.

nothing ace or peter wrote will be remembered, but i can assure you, i was made for loving you and rock n roll all night will be around for another 100 years !!!






paul gene eric tommy


the real and only KISS !!!!!!!!!


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COMMENT | 'RE: GENE IS 100% right as always'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:46:48 AM
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You are a ass kissing idiot. Cold Gin,Parasite and Beth will last just as long. Nothing thayer and singer have played on will amount to shit and that's just fact.


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COMMENT | LOLOLOLOLOL
posted by : DirtyWaterDog
11/12/2012 3:03:09 AM
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Gene is the biggest pile of shit on the planet PERIOD.


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COMMENT | Ain't it funny
posted by : Icarus21
11/12/2012 3:17:01 AM
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A sixty year-old with a whig and another with a face lift talking cocky rock and roll jive like they are still idols of the 1970s although it is the 21st century. Pretty cartoonish if you ask me?


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COMMENT | 'RE: Ain''t it funny'
posted by : seance.blogg.se
11/12/2012 3:29:58 AM
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Doesnt all 60 years rockers talk cocky rock and roll jive like they are still idols of the 1970s although it is the 21st century?

Like Lemmy, Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest e.t.c.

And whats wrong with that? better than twenty year olds with neck tattoos that make metal on their laptops trying to be rock n roll.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Ain''''t it funny'''
posted by : 80sHairBands
11/12/2012 10:11:27 AM
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Aerosmith is a JOKE.
KISS was in the league of Lemmy, Sabboth, Judas Priest (and even Zepplin and Van Halen in my opition). WAS
With the crap they've been pulling the last 10 years... they've tarnished their legacy. And that includes any real right to talk cocky rock and roll jive. They're posers!
Lemmy, Sabboth, Priest, Zepp, VH... they still have the right. I'm a HUGE kiss fan... so it hurts me to say that Kiss no longer does.


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COMMENT | Kiss were always able to get killer players
posted by : aztec
11/12/2012 3:40:42 AM
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Carr,Vincent,St. John,Bruce and Thayer all excellent players. So we know Ace n Pete were fuck ups,and you went thru hell with them. Be happy with your current sisuation and let the past go!


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COMMENT | I can relate to Gene...
posted by : BiorythmicDrift
11/12/2012 4:25:21 AM
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We (my job) have in the process of achieving a sustainable position fired a couple cancers to the cause. Sure the guys helped us get where we are but in the long run would not be able to sustain the same productivity. To Gene its a business as much as it may bug you. Gene has always been quite outspoken (negative/positive) and matter of fact about things. To me it's one of his most admirable traits. Gene doesn't pussy foot around.


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posted by : TVT
11/12/2012 6:05:17 AM
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Gene and Paul are NOT downplaying anyone's input. The guys say very clearly:

1) "what I just said doesn't mean that Ace and Peter weren't every bit as important as Paul and myself in the beginning of the band"

2) "we couldn't be here today without what Ace and Peter did in the beginning"

So, if you visit Blabbermouth.net and if you want to comment on something, it's advisable to have an adequate knowledge of the English language - otherwise, it's better to shut the fuck up!


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : 80sHairBands
11/12/2012 10:15:51 AM
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Screw you TVT. Are so stupid to not see the real message of what $immons and $tanley were saying (or at least $immons)? He said the scabs should have been the original line-up. The comments you chose to list are the ones they always say when trying to cover their bull-shit tracks.
YOU my loser friend are the one who has an inadequate knowledge of not only the English language, but of Kiss history.
DUMB SHIT


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:49:46 AM
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Right on.


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11/12/2012 6:05:18 AM
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"Some people shouldn't be in a marathon race. They're just not designed for it. Some people are good for short runs".... right on that.


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COMMENT | (=)
posted by : soulfly99
11/12/2012 6:20:40 AM
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BASICALLY, It's not 100%/4 anymore. Gene's got more than 25% rolling in and that makes him fuckin' happy. Other than his charity donations, his money is his 'thing' Too bad Kiss is really cool, but Ace is my man, sorry I don't care about peoples struggles. Who had the best solo CD?!


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COMMENT | I agree to a point
posted by : HardAttack
11/12/2012 6:45:18 AM
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With Vitalsigns & rocknrollreturns. First off, bands that started out in the 70's weren't in hit for the TOP 40 singles chart. From Aerosmith, Sabbath, Led Zep, Kiss and so on, these groups didn't write albums to record a hit. What HIT single was on ROCKS? What HIT single was on Hotter than Hell? Led Zep II? And like rocknrollreturn stated, Frehley didn't write or sing on the original New York Grove. And Beth didn't make or break Destroyer, that album is all killer tunes, except Beth, which was a b-side to a 45 and got massive airplay on the radio. And comparing album sales now to back then is unfair to ANY band. Look at Van Halen. If they would have put out a DKOT back in the 80's it would have sold 10 million or more. Great fucking album and should win the grammy for best rock album. Now, music is stolen or whoever is the latest Idol, Voice, X factor or shove down our throats with media attention like Bieber and Swift, two talentless hacks that couldn't hold a candle to a real musician. Speaking of them, and they are targeted by teeny boppers, imagine in today's time if The Jackson 5 came along or even The Osmonds, they would swamp them 2 hackless turds into oblivion. Now, since most music is stolen and bands get shortchanged, ticket prices are unreal. I remember when you could go to 20 concerts a years, bands toured on the backs of album sales, see plenty of great acts almost every month, for less than $10.00 a ticket. Now, your lucky to be able to afford 2, hell even one of your favorite acts. That being said, from listening to Monster (Ididn't buy it) at least it straight in your face RNR>While Aeroshit has 7 ballads trying for that American Idol top 40 hit yet again, Oh the humanity and shame of it all!


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COMMENT | 'RE: I agree to a point'
posted by : BSlash24
11/12/2012 12:34:58 PM
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understatement of the year...those 2 bands mentioned were far more talented than KiSS for cryin' out loud. For those who don't know...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUH5EGGn1pE


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posted by : Horror vacui
11/12/2012 7:03:35 AM
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Ok,Kiss is a very visual band and the real kiss looked so fucking cool!

Tommy thayers head7face looks like a box in the real
spaceman makeup and Eric
looks very sore and disgruntled.


This new Kiss lineup looks silly and thats a fact.

I would show this new version of kiss much more respect
if the took off the makeup and continuing touring make new music etc



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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
11/12/2012 7:24:07 AM
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Monster kicked ass!


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COMMENT | I hate Paul Stanley, but -
posted by : Itwalksamongus
11/12/2012 7:29:35 AM
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This -

"I'll say it again — we couldn't be here today without what Ace and Peter did in the beginning, and we couldn't be here today if they were still in the band."

That's a great statement. Giving respect to what they did, but pointing out the obvious fact that those two losers have no place in Kiss today.


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posted by : Aces_High99
11/12/2012 7:33:29 AM
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What a piece of shit.

Gene joins Donald Trump and Ted Nugent in the Verbal Diarrhea Hall of Fame.


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COMMENT | I agree hard...partly
posted by : spaceace69
11/12/2012 7:40:16 AM
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KISS did try for a hit on their first album. "Kissin' time" was added on later pressings of it specifically to have a hit. That first lp without it is one collectable I never got, but wish I had. Whether planned or not "dream on" was a hit for Aerosmith from their first lp. You are spot on with the record sales then vs now, and the concert thing too. I love the new KISS cd. A GREAT cd from a band whose main guys have been around for 40 years. I admire Gene and Paul's work ethic and envy their sobriety, yet, being someone who has had the same struggles over my lifetime as ACE has, I am more in tune with his contributions and can empathize a bit more than most. For anyone to say he "chose" drugs and alcohol over music more than likely has never had a substance abuse issue. As a fan from the very beginning I can admit I love the new cd, and I still go see them every time they come around, but...... There is no way what they are doing now compares to when the original four were on fire in the '70s. And ACE had style. (Still does). I'll take that any day over speed and perfection. Page is sloppy live. Hendrix was too. Not comparing them, just making a point. ACE is the real deal...as is the case most times with people with abuse issues. And I'm O.K. With that.


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COMMENT | 'RE: I agree hard...partly'
posted by : BSlash24
11/12/2012 12:42:15 PM
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Love Ace, his tone, vibrato, sense of melody in his solos...but he takes "Sloppy" to a whole new level. KiSS Alive 1&II as we all know are totally reworked in studio...Ace is a poor man's page. He does not have the creative mind Page or Hendrix had, not close. He wrote a handful of songs...and arguably the most creative arrangement/riff early KiSS had, Detriot Rock City, was created by Ezrin.

I have many live Hendrix recordings, he very rarely is sloppy. He might purposely make lots of feedback etc, but only Woodstock comes to mind as real sloppy.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: I agree hard...partly'''
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:55:59 AM
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hendrix and page are way over rated. a dork playing guitar with a fiddle bow. Big friggin deal.


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COMMENT | Peter & ACe Who
posted by : BSlash24
11/12/2012 7:49:22 AM
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and Tommy & Eric Who? as well. Gene is banking 6 year olds don't know or care who Ace/Peter were, and in a few years, won't care who he is, as long as they buy Spaceman, Catman, Starguy, and Demon on stage, Gene's happy. you think those kids know who Tommy is? no. Its Menudo. They are cheering the funny men on stage. (yet Gene hears the cash registers).

I think its fine that he likes working, going forward, with Tommy, Eric. Ace & Peter have burnt out...but so did KiSS in 1979. That's pretty much were KiSS, at its best, ended.

The Beatles analogy is perfect. Or Led Zep. Each of those bands WERE those 4 members. When they broke up, that was it. There's not tour with "Robert Plant's Led Zeppelin", all that Bull that so many bands do. Watered down. Beatles didn't continue, they burnt out, and they knew it, END Of Beatles. The GnR name should have been retired in 1993, it ended.

Kiss continues, but as a vegas show, and as older men. It makes some people happy, and that's all that counts. But its not a vital band. Call it something else, its not KiSS...I'm well "over it", I was over it 1980. you won't see "tears are falling" in my collection, or Sonic Boom. Watered down, run of the mill. The Magic lasted till 1978. over. Like GnR, over in early 90s, today its a band playing GNR>


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COMMENT | Kiss is the hottest band in the World!
posted by : mamba
11/12/2012 7:52:49 AM
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Every since my parents bought my first record which was Kiss alive II, I have followed them since. Thru thick and thin I have supported them and still do. I was there even supporting Unmasked and The Elder. I'm the fan that got bashed for liking Kiss, I would turn around and say fuck you punk you want me to kick ur ass. It was a life changing experience growing up with Kiss. They're the reason I never grew up. I have an amazing career and most of all a family man. I thank Kiss for keeping my youth intacted and RocknRoll alive. Ace and Pete are gone but Eric and Tommy are helping the wheels in
motion and they're pros at it. Kiss has always been Gene and Paul's baby. Only the true fans know that. Raise your glasses and thanks to Kiss!


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COMMENT | 'RE: Kiss is the hottest band in the World!'
posted by : jlowery
11/12/2012 11:29:02 AM
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DITTO !!!


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Kiss is the hottest band in the World!'''
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 2:59:09 AM
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True fans? Bullshit. You mean ass kissers who can't let go.


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posted by : sonic the girl
11/12/2012 7:56:59 AM
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Gene is a mean spirited man.


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COMMENT | Moron
posted by : Armored Saint Rules
11/12/2012 8:03:50 AM
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Without Peter and Ace, there wouldn't be 35-55 year olds bringing their 5 year olds to your concerts. You owe all of your success to their contributions and your own hard work and savvyness. Alive and Alive II aren't huge successes without the Ace and Peter songs. Cold Gin, Parasite, Rock Bottom, Shock Me, Rocket Ride, Beth, Hard Luck Woman.

Take a look at what's memorable from that era, and it ain't Ladies Room, Rockin in the USA and I Want You. When's the last time anyone said, "Gene's bass or Paul's guitar is killer on that song?" You've got all the money, dickhead. Be happy. But as for the hearts of what once were your fans, they're Ace's and Peter's.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Moron'
posted by : jlowery
11/12/2012 11:20:49 AM
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Paul wrote Hard Luck Woman and let Peter sing it . No the facts .


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Moron'''
posted by : jlowery
11/12/2012 11:25:52 AM
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Calls himself a fan , and doesn't know who wrote what . Also I think Strutter , Hotter Than Hell , Dr Love , God Of Thunder ( Paul wrote by the way) , Come On And Love Me , Rock And Roll All Nite , Love Gun , I Stole Your Love , Christine Sixteen , pretty much hold there own .


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: Moron'''''''
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 3:01:08 AM
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Know how to spell know.


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posted by : Deathpool Dave
11/12/2012 8:06:41 AM
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Translation: "If it had been this way from the beginning I would have made even more money because the other two would have been paid as employees and not partners."


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posted by : scruffman
11/12/2012 8:13:32 AM
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so gene...... why let two people who are better than the original people wear their make up if their better?? you could've made more money if they had their own clue!!

BTW..... I will not go see KISS with these two people acting ike the original players!! it's a shame you made them copy their playing styles move by move!!


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posted by : alicecooperfreak
11/12/2012 8:58:39 AM
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Ace and Peter are not the be all & end all of Kiss.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 3:02:36 AM
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No the original four are.


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COMMENT | ok...
posted by : lowrider
11/12/2012 10:35:30 AM
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'This Should Have Been The Lineup Of KISS From The Beginning?
and how could that be possible? in a paralel universe?


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COMMENT | I got it!!!
posted by : lowrider
11/12/2012 10:36:03 AM
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with the help of a time machine!


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COMMENT | Make them full-fledged members of the band then
posted by : zappafrank
11/12/2012 11:00:50 AM
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No "hired guns" getting a per diem. Give them full voting rights and investment options in the Kiss "brand."

Put your money where your mouth is, Gene.


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posted by : Hubs
11/12/2012 11:15:58 AM
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I saw KiSS in the 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's. I like all KiSS past and present. Hopefully there is a KiSS future with more records and concerts because they a one of a few arena hard rock bands left that also make quality music!!


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posted by : shakey27
11/12/2012 1:11:24 PM
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Writer Singer

Black Diamond Stanley Criss (intro: Stanley)
Cold Gin Ace Frehley
Parasite Ace Frehley
Strange Ways Frehley
Rock Bottom Frehley, Stanley
Shock Me Ace Frehley Frehley
Hard Times Frehley Frehley

Enough Said


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COMMENT | Gene
posted by : dork222
11/12/2012 1:18:04 PM
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What a dick


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COMMENT | Alice...
posted by : spaceace69
11/12/2012 1:48:47 PM
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ACE and Peter may not be the be all and end all of KISS. But neither were Dennis, Mike, Neal and Glen the be all and end all of Alice Cooper. But I sure as shit respect and love that early Cooper stuff more than anything else he's done since. Look at it that way. I do.


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COMMENT | enough
posted by : alleycat072
11/12/2012 2:19:20 PM
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it's quite funny that both gene and paul have in the last 2 yrs especially last few months have been both attacking both peter and ace....the only thing i can think of is because ace and peter both released these books and they are paying them back by attacking them...truth must hurt.... i am 40 yrs old and have been a true die hard kiss fan and know everything give or take most fans are gonna know about kiss from all era's ...but i must say not anymore... i sold off my 30 plus yr collection and do have a few favs i kept but most gone and won't be supporting them anymore...i will also say that i do not like kiss today they took advantage of both ex members as well as the fans in my opinion and i can see this ...i think if you can see with better eyes maybe so more then most you can put it all together and this is the results....this crap today is not the kiss i signed on for nor is it right...i think this is disrespectrful to many fans like myself sand i can assure you kiss was not worried about that ...kiss is becoming a joke , just look what other people are saying , their a comic book , i mean this is why hall of fame want accept them ..they have turned it into a laughing joke just to fill their pockets..


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COMMENT | 'RE: enough'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 3:05:30 AM
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Right on.


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posted by : Namnikufecin
11/12/2012 3:18:10 PM
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It's ok to like your band now, Gene. And it is an ok version. Maybe the third best version.

BUT FOR F**K's SAKE, COME UP WITH TWO NEW-MAKE UP DESIGNS FOR THE NEW GUYS OR PLAY WITHOUT MAKE-UP!!!!


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posted by : jlowery
11/12/2012 3:29:04 PM
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Damn , move on guys ! Kiss did , you need to either like your kiss the way you like it and let us like kiss our way . I've been a fan since 74 and I'm 51 now . Ace and Peter sold their rights years ago , and please don't get me wrong I love and have always loved the original 4 , but they did sellout years ago , and Gene and Paul jumped at the chance to buy them , probably got them for a steal . That being said , if A & P would not have sold them , we would not even be having this discussion now , end of story.

I have a few of big Kiss fans who are my best friends and there's a couple who still have a time dealing with the make up issue , but they just choose to like Kiss their way and don't hate . Like it should be in Kiss world !


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posted by : rodt
11/12/2012 3:43:54 PM
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Everytime Simmons & Stanley open their fuckin mouths I hate them even more....way to piss all over your past legacy guys and try and steal the glory for yourselves exclusively.....Old men trying desperately to remain relevant in a modern age. Ace & Peter may not have been the "be all end all" of Kiss but neither is Simmons & Stanley...this geriatric fireworks display with noise, is so tired, oversold and boring its killing itself ....to that I say thank God and about time.......btw, nice wigs fellas....pppffft!


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COMMENT | Hey
posted by : spaceace69
11/12/2012 5:15:13 PM
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What's with the wig thing? They do it for the show. We know what they look like now. They don't wear them off stage. And so what if they do? Guys go bald. Some women do to. It's something you can't control. Don't know how old you are but you may too one day. And if you're ok with it fine, not everyone is and they do something about it. Give them a break. God. Oh, in case you think I'm on you because I am....I'm not. I'm fifty one and my hair is to my belt line and nothing off the top. Just sayin'.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Hey'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 3:08:57 AM
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So is mine and they don't need to wear wigs. Come out as themselves or give it up.


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COMMENT | ^^Hey^^
posted by : vitalsign
11/12/2012 7:46:38 PM
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All the more reason to hang it up already. I for one, don't even hate Thayer or Singer... (well Singer is rather a cocky sour puss motherfucker I would just love to take a swing at) I just cannot stand to look at Stanley and Simmons anymore. The Demon thing is getting so fucking old now... yeah, yeah we get it, you flick your tongue a 1000mph, you spit blood. My, my.. how evil you are yadda yadda. Ironically, the real Gene Simmons is evil in other ways the Demon Simmons is not.
Stanley is such a schmuck with his stupid hip thumping gyrations and his gay ass prancing around, then don't forget the right arm going up with the finger pointing as he holds what sounds like such a hard note for one to sustain. How cool you are, Starchild blah blah. The schtick is getting old guys.


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COMMENT | Gene Simmons is a pile of s*it
posted by : kliffee
11/12/2012 9:09:33 PM
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'Gene Simmons' is a pile of s*it and so are the 'fans' that go see 'kiss' and buy they're crap.


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COMMENT | it all comes down to 2 things...
posted by : Space Ace
11/12/2012 9:17:42 PM
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1. $tanley & $immon$ get all the $$$$$$$$$$$$ now; and
2. Ace & Peter were the cooler band members which obviously still pisses them off...hence why they slag them off all the time...

if you haven't read Ace's book, do so...it gives great insight into the going on's of the band back in the day...it also shows what a fucker Gene was/is/will be...sure both Ace & Peter had their vices and ruined their careers...but everyone still loves them...whereas Gene didn't or probably still doesn't have friends...what a tossbag...


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posted by : jlowery
11/13/2012 5:53:06 AM
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This is great stuff ! I'll bet Gene and Paul are laughing their asses off ! I know I am .

Shit , they don't even know what Blabbermouth is .


By the way did you see the crowds at Santiago Chile and Buenos Aires Argentina ! Go to Kissonline.com and check the pics ! Massive !


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 3:12:40 AM
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So south america like a good joke.


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COMMENT | Crowds
posted by : maximus severus
11/13/2012 3:07:01 PM
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The crowds are there to see the KISS from the old days. People go to see the so called legendary stage show if 30,000 people went in Chile and 50,000 in Argentina to see the modern relevant KISS why did Monster bomb? Because its the music of Gene, Paul, Ace and Peter they want to see and the show they invented. Nobody gives a flying one about any new stuff or any new members. Maybe the weirdos who have KISS rooms and KISS tattoos do, but it's clear they despite their attempts to the contrary are a nostalgia act.


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posted by : jlowery
11/13/2012 3:26:25 PM
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They are here my man , deal with it . Oh and by the way , fan since 75 and I have a massive Kiss room ! No tats though , just not my style . I buy what I want ande when I want , always will and nothing anybody can say is going to change that .

I know they've got another disc or 2 left in them . Rock on boys !


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COMMENT | umadbro?
posted by : swishersweets20031
11/13/2012 4:29:24 PM
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Gene sore because everyone knows he has herpes and paul is a homo.


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COMMENT | Suck on it Gene and Paul to
posted by : Warchief
11/14/2012 3:19:46 AM
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If it weren't for kiss in the 70's with Peter and Ace you smucks would have never have made it. You would have went back to teaching school and Paul's ass would have stayed in his taxi. No hard core original fan gives a shit about this joke today. That's why no number one album last time or this one. We didn't buy it and won't. Peter and Ace were the heart and soul of Kiss and you two were the business end of it. Nothing more.Take singer and thayer and continue to be a half a tribute band joke.


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