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NILE Mainman: 'You Can Tell When You're Losing Your Audience' During A Live Concert - July 24, 2012
Mike Sloan of Blistering.com recently conducted an interview with Karl Sanders of South Carolina-based extreme technical death metallers NILE. A few excerpts from the chat follow below:

Blistering.com: First of all, congrats on "At The Gate Of Sethu". It's a great album in typical NILE fashion. How proud are you of the final product and are you totally satisfied with how it turned out?

Karl Sanders: Right now, the album is still real fresh to us and we're just really excited about it. We love it and we're all gung-ho about it. It's going to take a while until I start hearing things where I'll go, "Oh I could've done this a little different, or that a little better…" Eventually that'll happen because it always does, but right now we're just loving the fucking record. There's some really good stuff on there and there were a lot of challenges with it. It's hard, it's technical; it's still a NILE record.

Blistering.com: Can you explain to the layman out there who has never been in the studio the challenges you face in recording an album? How do you capture the sheer brutality and bite of your music, keep the music sounding raw and savage, yet produce it so clean that everything is heard clearly? That has to be quite a task.

Sanders: Oh yeah, I understand your question and that is a huge fucking challenge while in the studio. There's an inverse equation to it all. If you play slower music, a band like AC/DC, for example, it's actually very easy to record a band like AC/DC and retain the natural vibe and make it all sound good. They play music that, by metal standards, is very slow. It's a lot of mid-tempo and slow tempo, so it's very easy. You can easily take that style of music, retain the energy, and make everything nice and clear so you can hear the individual fire of each member of the band. Each time you get a little faster, that equation gets more and more inverted. The faster you go, the harder it is to make it sound clean. The more you try to get it right, the more you suck the life out of it. It's a non-ending battle to try and capture super fast music and make it hearable yet keeping its life and conviction to it. It's a super fucking challenge and that's one of the reasons why it took so long to create this record. We wanted to hear everything we were playing and also have that life and fire and personality to it. That was a lot of fucking hard work. Holy shit!

Blistering.com: NILE is known for inhumanly technical death metal that is both brutal and full of hooks. Your complexities in the song structures have gotten so crazy over the years, but has there ever a time when a song is finished, you worried that you can't reproduce the song live in concert because of the complexities?

Sanders: There have been a few songs over the years where we've made the judgment call that as fun as they are to play, are they interesting enough or fun for the audience? Is it enjoyable to watch and listen to from and audience's perspective? That's kind of how we decide which songs we are going to play: which ones are the audience going to grasp? Certainly something like "Invocation To Seditious Heresy", which has incredible technical guitar and drumming on it and is incredibly fun to play in the band room — we have fun listening to and playing it — but there's so much technicality going on where you tend to lose people. In the live setting, you've got to be able to balance those factors. You want to present some kickass stuff and you want people to enjoy it and you want to have something that is fun and challenging to play. The songs that are picked for the live setting all have to meet those criteria. They have to be fun for us, fun for the audience, and they have to be the songs that people want to hear. I remember on one tour we did "The Burning Pits Of The Duat" and that's a very technical song off of "Annihilation Of The Wicked". We could tell this was an audience separator. The musicians in the audience would be riveted and watching exactly what we were doing but the non-musician types would wander off to the bathroom or go get a drink or go outside to get a smoke. You've got to factor in that sort of stuff when creating the setlist.

Blistering.com: With most if not all metal concerts, there tends to be a breaking point where the crowd has to eventually slow down to catch their collective breath. Can you tell while onstage whether someone is just catching their breath or just not interested?

Sanders: Oh yeah. You can tell the difference. When the audience simply disappears, like you're playing to a few hundred people and then all of a sudden you're playing to, like, 50 people. [laughs] You can tell; it's immediately apparent. You can also tell with the energy level from the amount of humanity that's focused on you. It's a hard concept to explain and I never really appreciated it until I played the Dynamo festival out in Holland somewhere. We played to a crowd of about 8,000-9,000 people. It was the biggest crowd I had ever played to at that point. Playing on stage, I immediately felt that kinetic presence of all that energy focused onto the band. It was a tangible thing; I could feel the weight of it on my chest. A couple years later we played at Wacken in front of about 40,000 people and I experienced the same thing again. The more people you have in front of you and the more energy from that audience is focused on the band, the more the kinetic energy builds with everyone. It's a collective thing. You can feel it; it's real. So, you can tell when you're losing your audience; you can fucking feel it. It's an emotional, electrical sort of connection.

Read the entire interview from Blistering.com.



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COMMENT | Col Sanders...
posted by : RedHotChickenVomit
7/24/2012 9:03:33 AM
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...speaks the truth.


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posted by : Double Shit-Talkin Jive
7/24/2012 9:10:03 AM
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NILE Mainman: 'You Can Tell When You're Losing Your Weight' During A Cookie Ritual'


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COMMENT | ^^^^^^^^^^^^
posted by : godhatesyouall
7/24/2012 9:30:03 AM
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"You can tell you're an attention seeking dumbass when you post the same childish garbage on every other article."


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COMMENT | Losing Your Audience
posted by : nomadatl
7/24/2012 9:33:42 AM
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happens every night when you're in Nile !


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posted by : DTC
7/24/2012 9:56:19 AM
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For once, I agree with him on what he says (the difference between recording ACDC and a band like Nile). The more forced and pushed and written your music is, the harder it gets to make it sound good.
Sounding live and clean at the same time isn't as easy as he thinks, though. It's all about knowing where to place the mics in the room and how many of them should be here or there. It's actually a whole lot deal more complicated tham trigging your drummer and noise-gating your guitars to tits and growling in a mic. Sound is everything in rock 'n roll... writing is kind of secondary. In a band like Nile, it's the other way around.

That to me is the difference between rock and extreme metal. Rock is about sound and feel. You can recycle the same riff and notes endlessly, the challenge is more about making it sound different every time. Extreme metal is more like classical music, more written and complex, but it doesn't grab you by the gut, it has less raw emotional power (it wasn't so true in the early days, but it is today, just compare Scream Bloody Gore with Sound of Perseverance, it's primitive adrenaline on one side and technical perfection on the other).


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posted by : Sunioj
7/24/2012 10:05:22 AM
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Sethu is fucking amazing, looking forward to the UK tour dates coming out!


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COMMENT | maybe...
posted by : verymetal
7/24/2012 10:44:33 AM
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because every damn song sounds the same as the last one.


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COMMENT | hey Colonel Sanders!
posted by : Walrus Rimjob
7/24/2012 10:55:28 AM
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Can you explain to me why 'Those Whom The Gods Detest' sounded absolutely amazing production wise, with epic well written songs and was brutal as fuck, while this new turd is the exact opposite?

Why the guitars sound like they were recorded using a Fisher Price My First Amp

Why Dallas' vocal delivery make me laugh and cry when I heard it?

Why the drums sounded thinner than shit?

This new album could have been great but they really fucked it up in the studio


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posted by : MrEplayR
7/24/2012 10:55:51 AM
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Death metal is SHIT!!!


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posted by : VanBurenBoy
7/24/2012 1:54:21 PM
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No, it is not.


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posted by : PikeChopsaw
7/24/2012 11:21:41 AM
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The new Nile is good but I prefer "Those Whom The Gods Detest".

To me that album sounds heavier.


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posted by : Traumor
7/24/2012 11:34:19 AM
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"Invocation" was one song I hoped they'd play at least once during the 5 or 6 times I've seen them, but they never played it. I wanted to see that rhythm tapping!


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posted by : Rotting Elvis, 7th daugher of a 7th son
7/24/2012 11:58:52 AM
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It always cracks me up when people troll on Nile for Karl Sanders being overweight. Either they're itching to jump out of the closet or they're a seriously unimaginative troll. Either way, they should stick to Manowar.


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posted by : MrMcThrasher III
7/24/2012 1:18:04 PM
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New Nile album rules.
Can't wait to see them again!


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posted by : RiotAct666
7/24/2012 1:41:37 PM
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NILE Mainman: 'You Can Tell When You're Losing Your Audience' During A Live Concert


And they surley know it all too well.


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COMMENT | riotact the bitchass
posted by : Sadistikexekution
7/24/2012 2:52:37 PM
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Why don't you listen to your hack slash CDs and leave real metal to real fans!


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COMMENT | I pity people.........
posted by : bongwarrior
7/24/2012 3:09:53 PM
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... who never discovered the beauty in brutality, for them death metal is forever just going to be a noise. Shame.
At the Gate of Sethu is ridiculously good, and stands shoulder to shoulder with anything else Nile have released.


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posted by : creedence
7/24/2012 3:51:42 PM
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great interview. This person is asking Karl some real interesting questions. The real message is that if you are going to interview a musician then do your homework and ask provocative questions.


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posted by : supernoia
7/24/2012 4:56:35 PM
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Although I like their new record ,Those Whom the Gods Detest has better production and songs. I guess they chased the perfect clear sound so hard they lost some of the depth productionwise


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posted by : Funkyfist
7/25/2012 12:09:58 PM
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New cd spits shit!!


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