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GEOFF TATE 'Is The Only One Who Truly Cares About QUEENSRŸCHE And Its Fans' - July 14, 2012
QUEENSRŸCHE members Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Parker Lundgren announced on June 20 that they were parting ways with singer Geoff Tate and recruiting powerhouse vocalist Todd La Torre of CRIMSON GLORY as his replacement. The new QUEENSRŸCHE lineup has already performed live, having played two shows in their home city of Seattle under the name RISING WEST.

Tate revealed in a recent interview with RollingStone.com that he and his wife, Susan, who has been managing the band for the past several years, filed a lawsuit against his former bandmates on June 12 in King County Superior Court in the state of Washington in order to "sort out who is what, and who owns what, and that stuff." Tate is also attempting to get a court injunction against Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield that would prevent them from using the name QUEENSRŸCHE for their new group.

On Monday, July 9, Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield filed a response to Tate's motion for preliminary injunction and included individual declarations from all of the defendants supporting their position that Tate's motion should be denied.

In a "reply memorandum in further support" of his motion for preliminary injunction — which was filed this past Thursday, July 12 in the King County Superior Court in Seattle, Washington and obtained by BLABBERMOUTH.NET — the Tates' attorney, Benjamin J. Stone of Veris Law Group PLLC, writes, "In their initial motion papers, plaintiffs Geoff and Susan Tate explain why defendants Scott Rockenfield, Michael Wilton, and Eddie Jackson should be enjoined from touring as QUEENSRŸCHE during the pendency of this litigation. Rockenfield, Wilton, and Jackson oppose the motion but, as explained below, their arguments are vague, speculative, and contradictory and fail to overcome the compelling reasons why the preliminary injunction should be issued.

"Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton admit they did the things that the Tates argue were oppressive. They claim that, as owners of 75 percent of the QUEENSRŸCHE companies, they had the right to do what they did and that their actions are protected by the business judgment rule because Geoff and Susan had usurped control of the band. But this argument is flawed and, thus, the business judgment rule does not protect their oppressive actions. Indeed, on its face, the argument makes no sense and is utterly contradictory. Since Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton owned 75 percent of the QUEENSRŸCHE companies, clearly Geoff and Susan (who is not even a shareholder) cannot usurp control of the band. Instead, Geoff wrote the songs and Susan managed the band because Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton agreed with the direction of the band or did not care. Either way, this cannot justify what they have done now. Other reasons — resentment of Geoff and the money he made as the leading songwriter for QUEENSRŸCHE — motivated Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton to oppress Geoff. Their argument that Geoff was taking the band in a different direction against their wishes is also belied by the facts. Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton allege, for example, that Geoff refused to play the band's older songs at shows. This is untrue and Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton cite no show where this occurred. Like them, Geoff loves the older songs — he helped write them — and enjoys playing them for fans. Within the last two years, for example, the band played the entire second album 'Rage For Order' for one show and, at another show, played the entire 'Operation: Mindcrime' album. Set lists from other recent shows confirm that QUEENSRŸCHE played a cross-section of songs at shows that included a number of the older songs.

"Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton also argue that the later albums were unpopular, but the record sales they cite are not relevant. Record sales are due to a number of factors. Indeed, file sharing, a way fans can share songs over the internet for free, has caused record sales to plummet across the industry since 2006, the year the first album cited by Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton was released. Another reason for falling record sales during these same years is that one record company QUEENSRŸCHE worked with went bankrupt, one went out of business, and another is in the process of going under. As a result, record sale numbers are no longer the benchmark for determining the extent of a band's success. Instead, touring, merchandising, and promotions are more common measures of success. And during this time, Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton have each done well, netting between $109,000 and $340,000 each per year, under Geoff's leadership and Susan's management.

"Also false is Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton's contention that Geoff 'installed' Susan as manager. They don't explain how Geoff could do this since they are three quarters of the band and the QUEENSRŸCHE companies. Instead, Susan could become the band's manager only with the approval of Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton, which is in fact what happened. Susan became manager after the band fired one manager for failing to do his job and misrepresenting to the band whether he had spoken with the managers of two headlining metal bands (IRON MAIDEN and KISS) regarding a tour with QUEENSRŸCHE, and after the second manager (Lars Sorensen) quit.

"When Susan contacted Rockenfield and informed him that Sorensen had quit, Rockenfield agreed that Susan could be the manager so long as she agreed to accept half of what other managers earn, which she did. Susan also had years of experience managing QUEENSRŸCHE, having served as assistant manager and before that fan club and merchandising director. Equally baseless is Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton's claim that Geoff engaged in 'self dealing' when he was paid for the story for the 'Operation: Mindcrime' animated film. Geoff came up with the idea of 'Operation: Mindcrime', wrote the story and owns the copyright. Indeed, the long-time attorney for the QUEENSRŸCHE companies concluded that 'Geoff Tate was the sole owner of the copyrights in the story and remains the sole owner today' and thus directed the studio interested in the story to pay Geoff for it. Additionally, Rockenfield, Jackson and Wilton were aware of this as early as February 2012, As a further example of how Geoff's leadership and Susan's management of QUEENSRŸCHE benefits the band, as part of the negotiations for the animated film, Susan got the studio to agree that the entire QUEENSRŸCHE band would be paid $250,000 for the score for the movie. Susan knew that Rockenfield was interested in writing scores for movies and he told her he wanted to write the score for this movie.

"The only event raised by Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton that actually occurred was the one in Brazil. But Geoff admitted at the outset that he hit Rockenfield and Wilton so there is no reason to further belabor the point. Moreover, contrary to what Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton allege, Geoff is a mild-mannered and easygoing guy who has not been violent with Rockenfield, Jackson, or Wilton or anyone else. This one isolated event does not justify kicking Geoff out of the band and demanding that he sell back his shares in the companies after 30 years of work. They are simply using it as an excuse; if their allegations were true, why would they play the show in Brazil and then play two more shows with Geoff? The fact that Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton never pursued the matter until now, and began taking control of the band and the companies in February shows that' they intended to fire Geoff before Brazil. The incident provided them with a convenient excuse to justify it.

"Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton claim that they will likely be awarded the band name because they collaborated in songwriting. This is simply not true. Except to a very limited extent, as evidenced by the songwriting royalty spreadsheet, Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton did not participate in songwriting. Instead, Geoff has received 81 percent of the songwriting credit and for the past 30 years has been the face and voice of the band. Indeed, in their efforts to prove their other points, Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton even admit that, for years, they did not play a role in the creative or business aspects of the band.

"It is also clear that Geoff is the only one who truly cares about QUEENSRŸCHE and its fans. After kicking him out of the band, Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton canceled the remaining QUEENSRŸCHE shows, burning the promoters who booked the shows and the fans who bought the tickets. This has clearly alienated promoters and the fans who had bought the tickets to see QUEENSRŸCHE. To prevent this damage from occurring to the show in Utah, Geoff flew to Utah and played with his acoustic band.

"A particularly incredible claim by Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton is that the bond for the preliminary injunction should be at least $10 million. They rely entirely on Paul Geary, their manager, who, in saying what he believes the band will earn, is merely speculating on whether promoters — who are the ones who actually book the band — will be interested in QUEENSRŸCHE without Geoff Tate and, if so, what they are willing to pay for the band to play. Mr. Geary gets paid more the more promoters pay for the band and thus he has an incentive to inflate his figures.

"The letter from Sullivan Bigg cited by Geary is equally irrelevant since. Mr. Bigg is not a promoter, but an agent. Also, Mr. Bigg's statements are not credible since he does not identify the promoters who are allegedly interested in the new QUEENSRŸCHE, where the shows will be held, or how much the band will be paid for each show. Indeed, Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton are not even hiring Mr. Bigg or playing the shows he mentions since Geary states that they are hiring another agent. And a third agency not mentioned by GearyParadise Artists — previously claimed to be representing QUEENSRŸCHE.

"In sum, Rockenfield, Jackson and Wilton do not have an agent, and do not have any commitments from promoters for shows. The only thing they appear to be doing is burning bridges with agents who apparently believe they represent the band. In fact, the only promoters to opine in this case confirm the Tates' position that promoters and fans will have no interest in booking QUEENSRŸCHE without Geoff Tate and, if they do, it will be in small venues for less money. As Mr. Elko, who has booked QUEENSRŸCHE shows for 15 years, testified: 'There is no QUEENSRŸCHE without Geoff Tate singing. He is the voice of the band. If the band goes out on tour without Geoff, I would not book the band, and I am unaware of any promoter who would promote that show.' Also, Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton will not be harmed by the injunction because they can make money playing QUEENSRŸCHE songs as the band RISING WEST. RISING WEST played 'two sold-out shows and rave critical and fan reviews.' Wilton testified that, after the show, 'we received offers from management companies and promoters asking us to bring the show to their cities.' Thus, only a nominal bond, in the sum of $5,000, should be required.

"The Tates respectfully request that this Court enjoin Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton from touring, recording, or using the name QUEENSRŸCHE while this litigation is pending."

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posted by : Joe2TheRevenge
7/14/2012 6:17:40 PM
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The guy who yells at the fans and tells them that they suck?

Riiiiiiiiight.


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posted by : jokerstyle
7/14/2012 6:23:21 PM
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"I, me, me, mine.."


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posted by : juanneman
7/15/2012 7:18:03 AM
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Me, myself & I


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Riotass666
7/15/2012 9:01:15 AM
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I AM I


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COMMENT | Tate's new band name.
posted by : verymetal
7/14/2012 6:23:24 PM
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"Spit or Swallow."


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COMMENT | sad but true
posted by : oldschooler
7/14/2012 6:26:25 PM
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this is all such a fuckin joke ill not comment any further on any of this.grow up fellas


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COMMENT | 'RE: sad but true'
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/14/2012 8:02:45 PM
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thank you for your comment about not commenting further, but might i suggest no comment?


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posted by : Double Shit-Talkin Jive
7/14/2012 6:29:05 PM
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Jesus TaTE 'Is The Only One Who Truly Cares About QUEENSRŸCHE And Its Fans'

Had to modify the title, it almost sounds off the bible


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COMMENT | If Tate truly cares about the fans,
posted by : ironmaiden316
7/14/2012 6:30:44 PM
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Why have the last 6+ albums sucked ass?


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COMMENT | right tate cares...
posted by : YngwiesDonutBaker
7/14/2012 6:37:16 PM
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about himself. its why susan fucking ono was the manager


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COMMENT | Pussy
posted by : MoltenLavaStudios
7/14/2012 6:39:17 PM
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Needs his lawyer to do his damage control. Bottom line is that this guy's opinion is determined by who pays his salary. He does make a few decent points, but this can never cover up the fact that Tate is is an egotistical loser. Perhaps Tate can write some good stories, but the key is the music, and I for one don't believe that he had any significant input into creating their best music from the first 4 or 5 albums. The lyrics, sure, but that is not what makes the early Queensryche so killer.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Pussy'
posted by : dblbass
7/14/2012 9:28:01 PM
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I agree. I think he's gonna go where the cash is. And I think the main point to study on the whole soap opera is the fact that Geoff Tate just doesn't want to play metal anymore. Some of the music he'll end up doing will probably have some aggressive moments....some of the music that is.....but for the most part.....metal from him will not happen a lot anymore.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Pussy'''
posted by : madking
7/15/2012 8:42:24 PM
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Exactly. He's said in public how much he loathes metal and everything that comes with it. Now he puts forth a document proclaiming how he loved playing the older songs, blah, blah, blah. What a douche. Eff you, go play your country music to people who care.


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COMMENT | cares about fans is bullshit
posted by : ggiul1256
7/14/2012 6:47:17 PM
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If Tate cared about the Queensryche fans he would have given the fans music they want....not crap he has been bringing to the table


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posted by : Angrysun316
7/14/2012 6:52:32 PM
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Geoff cares about the Queensryche "brand". Not the fans... Because they suck!


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posted by : Riotass666
7/15/2012 4:10:30 AM
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Right, when protecting the brand becomes the main goal, any band is done. Notice how the vast majority of bands only create good music at the beginning of their careers? Once they become more interested in how much merchandise they sell, it's over.


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posted by : juanneman
7/15/2012 7:19:30 AM
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Sad but true.


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COMMENT | Paul Geary
posted by : Phil Mogg
7/14/2012 6:52:40 PM
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Paul Geary is their new manager..yes, ex Extreme drummer Paul Geary. Paul is associated with Irving Azoff, so it looks to me like Queensryche is in good, competent hands.


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COMMENT | concepts vs music.
posted by : Firewind
7/14/2012 6:56:07 PM
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Ok, I'm going to paritially, .00005 percent defend Tate on this. It was his story. But as far as I recall, didn't Degarmo have something to do with the story as well? At least that's what I recall. But if the film used any of the music, they should all have say in it..especially since they wrote a musical ALBUM using the concept.

In the seventies, Peter Gabriel was asked if the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway could be turned into a movie. Its actually ironic that he left right after that, and the movie never happened. Like Gabriel, yeah Tate is a visionary. He has had a lot of cool ideas, and kind of ties all the stuff the other guys do together. So, you can say he's Gabriel while Degarmo was Banks, and maybe Wilton is Rutherford (ok only serious prog geeks will get the comparison, but definitely check out old 70s Genesis and there are some comparisons with the way the stuff was written). But this still doesn't answer the whole business with that other band (voodoos or something, real illegal shit going on with Susan Tate), and the fact that VIOLENCE is being called into question here. There's also the fact, I forgot to post it in my other posts, that Queensryche (or the members) once had another singer for awhile. I don't recall the name but I remember him being some type of portly guy (Fat). If you read old interviews they mention him, I read about the guy in Rock and Roll Comics Queensryche issue (Remember that shit?). I'm not sure if Tate had just done a couple of shows with the Mob by then or if he left and then came back, but to say he was there from the beginning is total nonsense not even supported by the facts from old interviews!


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COMMENT | sorry Geoff
posted by : kenny concert man
7/14/2012 6:57:25 PM
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if spit on your band you spit on your fans,last i seen you in chicago you didnt even sing the last 3 show and cut the show short,you didnt even tell us you were having problem singing.we had to find out from don dokken who was nice enough to take picture with us and sign he cds


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COMMENT | Wonder.....
posted by : Wronginfo
7/14/2012 7:08:32 PM
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... how many answering machine messages Chris DeGarmo has right now?


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COMMENT | Wow
posted by : Bladdermouth
7/14/2012 7:09:50 PM
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I cannot believe all this soap opera from the QR...They used to be the classiest band around. The Degarmo days seems like a very, very far memory.


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posted by : SonOfTheMourning
7/14/2012 7:14:46 PM
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What a slimy lawyer hairy ass fart this reading was.

I don't think that anyone opposes that GT can go on as queersryche.


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posted by : pigchop
7/14/2012 7:21:34 PM
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This whole trip is seriously fucked up. Obviously Satan set this whole thing up...obviously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c6MjcSL5218#!


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posted by : BrewMe
7/14/2012 7:22:50 PM
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The guys who cared for the fans are the musicians who played on during a show despite the singer spitting on them. If the drummer spits on Tate during a show, you think Tate would just sing along for the fans? lol . Tate did something on the stage that a show should have been stopped for, that's disrespect to your band members and the fans. He put that show in jeopardy and apparently was OK with doing just that.

Now that this is a full blown public battle and in the court system, grab some popcorn.


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posted by : Scatter
7/14/2012 7:28:44 PM
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Just curious, if De Garmo eventually comes out in support of Tate is everyone here going to shit on him as well?


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posted by : Evil_Twin
7/14/2012 8:08:00 PM
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Yes!


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posted by : ParasiteLost
7/15/2012 6:00:13 AM
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Chris left the band twice because of Geoff, so I don't think he'll be siding with Geoff.


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posted by : scarysong14
7/15/2012 8:46:57 AM
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If anything, this would make Chris intrested in writing new music with the band.

Everybody but Geoff got along with Chris
they just ate too much shit over the years waiting for better days, Chris just couldn't deal with Tate and walked for good.

Chris speaks highly of the band, music and history.
I see no reason he would ever take side with the Tates on this


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COMMENT | "Geoff loves the older songs"
posted by : Richie Cunningslam
7/14/2012 7:28:51 PM
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The article says "Geoff loves the older songs". How about this:

"Regarding whether he would ever consider performing the 1986 QUEENSRŸCHE Rage For Order in its entirety on a full tour, Tate said, “Probably not. We played the Rage For Order album [as a one-off] in New York [last year], and that was really, really… How should I put it? It wasn’t very satisfying. I’ll put it that way. It’s not a record that has a lot of passion in it; it’s kind of cold and clinical. It was a record of its time. It’s not an album that has songs on it that resonate with me anymore as a person. So it’s not something that I would work very hard to put together. [Same thing with 1990's] Empire. Honestly, that’s just not who I am. I’m more of an in-the-now person. I’m interested in what’s happening with life at the moment. I’m not at that stage in life where I’m interested in looking back.”

Source:http://www.foundrymusic.com/2012/05/14/queensryche-performs-at-m3-rock-festival-video/


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COMMENT | Geoff Tate: Another LSD casualty.
posted by : pigchop
7/14/2012 7:29:50 PM
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http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3573/tatelsd.jpg


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COMMENT | Well
posted by : Bladdermouth
7/14/2012 7:38:11 PM
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Chris Degarmo should start his own Queensryche as well, so we can have 3 Queensryche! So when the 3 albums are released, we might get 4-5 good songs out of them all!


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COMMENT | The Fans don't care about GT
posted by : Archaic Anarchy
7/14/2012 7:46:14 PM
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If he trully cares about Queensryche's fans, he should leave Queensryche continue with Todd La Torre. Geoff Tate is not anymore welcome to the Queensryche fans. And if the fans could decide who has the right to carry on that name... I am certain that the majority would vote for Wilton, Rockenfield and Jackson. Maybe Justice is blind, but she is a virgin too. So Mr. Lawyer don't try to f**k with Justice!


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COMMENT | re: the old stuff
posted by : Firewind
7/14/2012 7:46:52 PM
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Yeah they TRIED to play Rage For Order (maybe their best, hard to say - its a toss up) all the way thru ONCE, and he's claiming that proves he wasn't adverse to the old stuff. Well I'll tell you what..(Searching and remembering recent setlistts) I think they kind of mean the first ep and the Warning, and that he probably had a hard time playing anything before Mindcrime. To be fair, reading over these setlists theres a lot of old stuff from RFO, but none from the first ep and only one from the Warning. It kind of gives Tate a tiny whince of truth in the statement, but I do know he never sang Queen of the Reich all that much as of late. And if he had his way 100 percent, who knows?


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posted by : RevengeOfToonces
7/14/2012 7:47:16 PM
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This guy is a fucking asshole.


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posted by : Braindeed
7/14/2012 8:00:25 PM
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as Rising West or as Queensryche, I´m interested in THAT band, not GT´s solo crap, the guy is a joke and a complete savage


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COMMENT | Oh Look
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/14/2012 8:05:42 PM
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Geoff's attorney has translated his bullshit lies into bullshit lawyer lies!

Good job fuckface!


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posted by : Firewind
7/14/2012 8:07:41 PM
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Amen.


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COMMENT | hmmm...
posted by : JOHNNY SNOT
7/14/2012 8:10:44 PM
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i think the problem may just be, that whilst geoff is a supercunt, he has more brains that the other three guys combined.

his case is looking better, and he will continue to have a share in the name "queensryche"......watch it happen.


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posted by : Evil_Twin
7/14/2012 8:16:51 PM
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How long before Geoff starts saying that he doesn't spit on his bandmates out of disrespect, but because it's his job to get them "riled up" so they will be more "engaged" in the performance?

I don't really mind that he's a fucking liar so much that he's such a pompous ass that he actually thinks we are dumb enough to believe the sky is green and the grass is blue just because he says so.


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posted by : Riotass666
7/15/2012 4:14:12 AM
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Typical lead singer, don'tcha think? You have to be an arrogant asshole who thinks his shit don't stink to want to prance around onstage in front of crowds for a living. The other guys play musical instruments, but the singer just shows you his ass and expects you to kiss it.


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posted by : BillyM67
7/14/2012 8:20:37 PM
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Blabbermouth, I have one request: could you please just give us summary of this boring shit....every damn Queensryche story had ten paragraphs, each with a thousand words....enough. I want to know what is happening, but I don't think we need all this crap. Do we really need separate stories to find out that Tate's attorney and A&R guy, two people he pays, think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread?


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COMMENT | about the fans...
posted by : ofpamusic
7/14/2012 8:24:01 PM
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As far as who really cares about the fans, it's hard to say. What I will say is this. I am a member of the Queensryche fan club. Members are entered in a meet and greet lottery for each show. My wife and I got meet and greet passes for QR's Allentown, PA show last summer and chatted with all the guys. While cordial, Tate did seem the most laid back and somewhat disconnected of all the band. Maybe that's just his demeanor, as I'd never met him before, but HE was the one that walked out with the tour manager and security dudes. All the other members walked out, were very friendly, asking us if we liked the show.

Michael Wilton's face lit up when I started talking to him about his ESP guitars. Rockenfield was even talking to a fan about their kids! Jackson was casual, but very cool, and even Parker Lundren was nice as hell. They stuck around shooting the shit for a long time. I remember leaving the venue with a new respect for the band. Like I said, Tate did seem the most "out of place" talking with the fans, though he was never outright snotty.

As for that fan club thing, I think the membership renewal's probably up in the air, for many, many reasons (lol)


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COMMENT | -l-
posted by : I Live In My Mom's Basement
7/14/2012 8:26:12 PM
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NO MIKE STONE = NO QUEENSRYCHE


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posted by : rycheskull
7/14/2012 8:33:25 PM
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I guess if right to the name rides on songwriting credits, Tate is going to keep the QR name but the fans aren't going to go see him croon songs from the last 4 or 5 albums while his & wife & daughter grind on poles.

Tate's lawyer says the other guy's argument is contradictory since they own 75% of the band & therefore didn't need to bow to Tate's will but he failed to mention that Tate had a my-way-or-the-highway attitude & threatened to quit if the guys didn't go along with the decisions being made. What about all the band meetings that Tate didn't bother to show up for? Kinda telling isn't it?


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posted by : sonicbrutality
7/14/2012 8:38:45 PM
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...and Geoff Tate showed how much he cared with "Dedicated to Chaos". You're welcome fans.


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posted by : rycheskull
7/14/2012 8:39:59 PM
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P.S. Yea Tate forced himself to sing some older songs but he has said more than once that he hates metal & thinks its fans are ignorant. The direction of QR's music is evidence of that. The other guys said Tate would go into each album acting like he wanted to go in a metal direction but then things would change & conveniently for Tate there was no time or money to fix or rerecord stuff.


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COMMENT | another lie
posted by : Firewind
7/14/2012 8:47:22 PM
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blaming declining record sales "since 2006". Basically saying "someone invented the internet in 2006, and as a result Queensryche's sales plummeted". What a crock of shit. Anyone whos ever been a fan knows that Promised Land was where sales started to go down. Its probably their last good album, but everything after HITNF other than maybe a slight spike in Mindcrime II didn't sell for shit. With the resurgence of metal, maybe the other guys got continually pissed off at the success of say, Maiden (Their old idols) and others who were getting to play big arenas again..But meanwhile, they had to play lame dance rock, do fucking cabaret tours of CASINOS, and state fairs (shades of puppet show scene in Spinal Tap). Anyone who's a musician in that band has a right to be PISSED. Especially with someone who's been VIOLENT towards them. So lawyer guy, file sharing may have played a part, but doesn't fully account for the decline in album sales. 1997 it took you like half a year to download a song on dialup. So your fucking excuse is utter bullshit.


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posted by : vas deferens
7/14/2012 8:49:37 PM
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When Geoff gets to keep the QR name, it would be in his best interest to get Chris back on board and hire three other competent musicians and get on with it.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ...'
posted by : Bladdermouth
7/14/2012 9:25:56 PM
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I would be more interested having a Tate/ Degarmo band than this Todd "Geoff tate immitator" Latorre and the rest Band.


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COMMENT | Geoff absolutely cares about Queensryche and fans...
posted by : Armored Saint Rules
7/14/2012 8:56:40 PM
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...because he has zero ability to make a living without them. He has talked down to metal fans for over a decade. The chickens have come home to roost, loser. Good luck to Wilton, Jackson, etc.


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posted by : RiotAct666
7/14/2012 9:13:39 PM
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Tate held the band back for way too long. They needed a change, and now have it. Look forward to hearing them w/ the new singer. Hopefully they will start to play/sound like those 4 records.


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COMMENT | Queensryche without....
posted by : The Rabbit
7/14/2012 9:45:16 PM
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Tate will be much better.....i mean the guy said in an interview he disliked metal...so fuck anything he does.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Queensryche without....'
posted by : ParasiteLost
7/15/2012 5:55:53 AM
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He has hated metal for years and voiced that opinion several times, insulting the fans who made him what he is. Also telling the audience that they suck isn't going to go well, ever.


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COMMENT | ....
posted by : Woke Up Dead
7/14/2012 10:04:36 PM
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I have no interest in this band but this legal soap opera sure is fun to read about each day. If anything the vocals were what prevented me from trying harder to get onto this band. Maybe my loss but regardless of who is right or wrong in this debacle it seems like both sides are better off. It actually seems like this split probably should have happened years ago.


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COMMENT | I'm completely convinced...
posted by : clg2112
7/14/2012 10:08:22 PM
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In order for this whole thing to blow over, no matter who gets rights to the name, the 3 members along w/ La Torre need to make an incredible album that's in the vein of what Queensryche fans used to love and live for and it won't matter what name they have to perform under. Great music transcends all negativity because the bottom line is that we all fell in love w/ the band in the first place, first and foremost, because the music is amazing! Make amazing music, you'll get all our respect and admiration! I for one hope they make an incredible album that puts us all back into hearing great, new music that there seems to be a lot less of out there, now a days. These are actually exciting times for the potential possibilities!


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posted by : YodaAct666
7/14/2012 10:15:24 PM
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I agree, 3 band members should do a new supergroup with killer new tunes and they can play classic QR live. I'd support that. Yep.


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COMMENT | Grow up is right...
posted by : Green Machinist
7/14/2012 10:19:59 PM
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...this shit is really lame.


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COMMENT | Attn. Blabbermouth
posted by : skweetis
7/14/2012 10:23:25 PM
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Please change your name from Blabbermouth to Queensryche Updates


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COMMENT | 'RE: Attn. Blabbermouth'
posted by : Dee67
7/15/2012 1:48:35 PM
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Your avatar is awesome


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posted by : TheKarlMarxAbortion
7/14/2012 10:56:22 PM
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Oh noooo....nobody would EVER book a band that has changed lead singers...nope, no way. Never happens...


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COMMENT | ###
posted by : tyranakok
7/14/2012 11:00:47 PM
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Ja, thanks Geoff!
Under your "leadership", you have ruined one of my favorite bands,, drove out their most successful song writer, tarnished their rep and ability for putting out quality material, and now exposed yourself for the complete ass you are.

Thanks for caring!!



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COMMENT | Imagine if
posted by : RockShowTrader.Com
7/14/2012 11:00:53 PM
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I got fired from my job and then turned around and said the company was actually mine and I tried to take the name from everyone else that was still there? That would be fucking hilarious. What an asshole I would be.


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COMMENT | Seems pretty cut and dried.
posted by : puredark81
7/14/2012 11:03:23 PM
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Rockenfield (25%) - GT is out.
Wilton (25%) - GT is out.
Jackson (25%) - GT is out.
Taint (25%) - GT stays in.

Given that the "Queensryche Companies" consists of those 4 guys, each having a 25% stake. GT is out.

Tate may have been 81% of the creative force (because hell, only 19% of music is ACTUALLY MUSIC), but he still only had a 25% stake in the "Queensryche Companies". Maybe he should have thought of that before he hit and spit all over the other 75%.


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posted by : tyranakok
7/14/2012 11:04:03 PM
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P.S.
You owe me money for HINF, Q2K, Operation II, and everytime I had to see Kelly Grey, and that hack Mike Stone.
Luckily I wised up after Operation II, and didn't fall for american soldier, or dedicated to mediocrity.



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COMMENT | Dirty Laundry
posted by : Abyss_of_Blood
7/14/2012 11:09:48 PM
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It really does surprise me the amount of data released regarding this whole mess. Usually, you don't find all this stuff out until someone writes a book about it years later. Although it has been a fascinating read, I question why all this information is being aired in the court of public opinion in the first place. And is it really the best thing for "Queensryche" to polarize the fan base by venting all their dirty laundry in this manner? Seems self-destructive from both sides to a degree.

Scott, Michael and Eddie should be allowed to keep the name and continue to write, record and perform as Queensryche. The name brand isn't going to be any more damaged than it already is. As fans, we know why. We don't need sworn statements and depositions telling us why. We know.

The biggest hurdle is history. Most bands making this change do not succeed in re-capturing the vibe that made them great in the first place. The list of failed attempts is long. The next album will either be epic or an epic fail. They have every right to carry on as Queensryche, I just question whether they can successfully. I hope so, they are one of my favorite bands.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Dirty Laundry'
posted by : ParasiteLost
7/15/2012 5:52:35 AM
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Think of the pent-up anger and will to show exactly what they can and want to do after years of succumbing to Geoff's will. I think Wilton, Rockenfield and Jackson will write a monster album, the first REAL Queensr?che album in YEARS.


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COMMENT | I Think
posted by : RedZombie
7/14/2012 11:17:11 PM
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That's plenty enough Queensryche related news for today. Thank you. By the way, Geoff is a loser for thinking we're all stupid.


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COMMENT | I Have No Demons Left in Me
posted by : ozzrock
7/14/2012 11:34:29 PM
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What a fucking sad waste. QR at one time could have been remembered in rock/metal history as one of the most phenomenal band's ever.

Why is it that throughout history, talented musicians, artists, painters, etc have one foot in reality and the other in insanity.

Geoff Tate in a 2007 interview with Chris DeGarmo at 4:07 in the Youtube link below says, "I have no demons left in me." Really Geoff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=_l9e64wjlvk&NR=1

What a sad, fucking waste!



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posted by : mplsguy71
7/14/2012 11:58:12 PM
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Queensryche was defined by those first 6 albums after Promised Land it should have ended,the darkness to that cd and DeGarmo's final one as a band would have been a good ending,everything after that has been shitty,and should have just not have even been recorded.They should all just shut up and go away with the little dignity they have left,this story was intriguing a few days ago,now it is just pathetic that the douchebag that runs this site and decides what are headlines are is just milking this out like some lame ass tabloid bullshit.


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COMMENT | Re: I'm completely convinced
posted by : crusheverything1
7/15/2012 12:00:40 AM
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You said it all, right there, man!!!


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COMMENT | A Queensryche tribute band
posted by : sowhatsowhat
7/15/2012 12:01:38 AM
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So, Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield had to dump the guy. It was a bad situation.

But, Queensryche without Tate and DeGarmo are nothing but a Queensryche tribute band. Who wants to hear anyone but Tate sing QT songs? It would be like hearing anyone but Axl sing GnR songs.

They should drop the QT name and go forward as Rising West. You will see why when they try to write new QT songs. Yes, I understand they have a legal right to the QT name. Doesn't mean they should.


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posted by : rycheskull
7/15/2012 12:22:53 AM
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Just watched my Operation Livecrime dvd with a 2001 interview with Geoff Tate and he says about the beginnings of the band, that Wilton and DeGarmo got together over shared musical interests and, with Rockenfield and Jackson, the FOUR of them began writing music and then asked Geoff to join. Case closed!


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COMMENT | Re: A Queensryche tribute band
posted by : crusheverything1
7/15/2012 12:33:37 AM
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WTF is "QT"? If you typed it once, I'd have chalked it up as an honest mistake, but you typed it four fucking times!

Tate can't sing anymore and doesn't like metal. So what if La Torre sounds exactly like Geoff circa 1984; how is that a bad thing, exactly?

Journey has resurrected their career with a clone. I wouldn't mind QR (see what I did there?) doing the same. La Torre can sing his ass off and by all accounts is a really cool person. Fuck Tate!


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COMMENT | 'RE: Re: A Queensryche tribute band'
posted by : Riotass666
7/15/2012 4:48:18 AM
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Journey has stated many times in recent years that they are doing better now than they ever did with Steve Perry as their singer. I think Journey shows us what Queensryche can achieve with a new singer. Just because all the "classic" material was with a previous singer, doesn't mean the band ends with the departure of that singer.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Re: A Queensryche tribute band'''
posted by : Riotass666
7/15/2012 9:00:30 AM
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And this reminds me -- Geoff Taint once tried out to be the lead singer for Journey. Too bad they didn't want him. Yeah, Taint really cares about Queenryche and their fans, doesn't he? None of the other guys tried out for other bands.

Hey Geoff Taint, Queensryche fans don't care about you. Go pursue your solo career and your wine and leave the band to the other original members and the fans.


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COMMENT | P.S.
posted by : crusheverything1
7/15/2012 12:37:45 AM
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I'd love to hear ANYONE but Axl sing GnR songs. Maybe then the songs might be sung by an actual singer and not a castrated. megalomaniacal, half-worm/half man with douchey hair, wearing sunglasses at night... indoors.


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posted by : Hipster Trash
7/15/2012 2:44:46 AM
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No matter how this debacle ends up, I refuse to acknowledge or listen to anything that Geoff Tate does in the future.


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COMMENT | LOL
posted by : Angry Metal Guy
7/15/2012 4:03:31 AM
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$5,000? Hahahahaha. Man, one thing that Tate doesn't lack is an ego and the hubris that comes along with that.


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posted by : Grapenutz
7/15/2012 4:04:27 AM
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The only thing cool about this rebuttal is that it Tate is paying his lawyer by the hour to write this.


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COMMENT | Geoff Taint's lawyer statement
posted by : Riotass666
7/15/2012 4:22:19 AM
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echoes points from Geoff Taint's personal statement. Both claim that since the other guys didn't prevent him from committing his various actions, they in fact approved of them. Taint even went so far as to claim that since they didn't fight back or acquire protection from abuse orders after he assaulted them, they were in fact accepting of the abuse.

You see, this is why you can never let someone bully you without defending yourself. It just gets worse and worse and worse and they never stop. Then when you finally do defend yourself, the abusers response is that you wanted it because you didn't stop it. That's what we have here -- Geoff Taint pays his lawyer to claim that the other guys wanted him to take over control of the band, because they didn't stop him. They wanted him to physically attack him, because they didn't fight back.


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COMMENT | Pathetic
posted by : BroadwayJoeFYVM
7/15/2012 5:10:27 AM
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Way to build on the legacy, guys. What's next - two QR's touring with the two LA Guns?

Pathetic. Just go away all of you, so I can remember the band the way it used to be.


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posted by : Subterfuge71
7/15/2012 5:41:48 AM
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The last good Queensryche album came out in 1994. Poor sales are only partly down to file sharing, and mostly down to the albums being shit.


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posted by : 111MZD
7/15/2012 7:03:20 AM
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This thing reads like a court transcript, just give us the dirt. Geoff Tate looks like Anton LaVey.


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posted by : Geoff Tate's Assault Knife-Addicted to Chaos Special Edition
7/15/2012 9:44:22 AM
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I believe the shit hit the fan in such a grandiose way due to the years of shit being built up. The rÿche was like a pressure cooker that finally blew up. I sure hope whip and the guys get to keep the band name. Tate has gone off his rocker and is a few beers short of a six pack.


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posted by : Geoff Tate's Assault Knife-Addicted to Chaos Special Edition
7/15/2012 9:55:31 AM
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The Rÿche & The Restless...(cue in soap opera music)

Starring the wine drinking, cheese tasting, knife swinging, spit machine, cabaret dancing, gay looking douche bag...Geoff Taint


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COMMENT | I met Geoff Tate back when QR toured Australia....
posted by : Self_Science
7/15/2012 10:09:19 AM
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in support of Operation Mindcrime 2. He was a friendly enough guy, but he had a real used car salesman vibe about him from memory. Not insincere exactly but i got the feeling the 'show' was always on.

Regardless, i like the comment about record sales, as if the decline in album sales isn't linked to the decline in interest in the QR name. From my understanding, QR are playing smaller venues now than they were 10 years ago, or even 6 years ago when they toured for O.M 2.

I'd argue that for an older band like QR with a loyal fanbase, record sales actually DO count for something, because at this point all the fairweather fans have pissed off and lost interest. So what we have been seeing over the last decade or so is a steady decline in their _core_ fanbase. Once you lose the core, it's over, and the numbers are declining at a fast rate.


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COMMENT | Queensryche could definitely learn a few lessons from....
posted by : Self_Science
7/15/2012 10:11:51 AM
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older guards like Rush, that's for sure. Rush still sell a shitload of albums and have maintained a huge cult following over the years. and on top of that, they are massively respected to boot.

Unlike QR though, Rush have a massive international following, so i guess it's not really a fair comparison, but there is far more quality control in the Rush camp than the QR one, and it's not like Rush haven't released their fair share of ordinary records either.


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COMMENT | Give it up
posted by : crank666
7/15/2012 10:47:26 AM
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There is no use going through court to see who owns the name of a once legendary band that has been reduced to rubble.Better to go out in a blaze of glory than to fade away.The name has already been a basic symbol of what once was.


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posted by : dejavu
7/15/2012 10:52:25 AM
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And I raise my head and spit
Into the eyes of a drummer
I've always known that my loogie's really fly

People always turn away
From the spit of a singer
Afraid to know the snot
behind the stare.......


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posted by : trickbunny
7/15/2012 11:13:53 AM
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"The only event raised by Rockenfield, Jackson, and Wilton that actually occurred was the one in Brazil. But Geoff admitted at the outset that he hit Rockenfield and Wilton so there is no reason to further belabor the point."

Yeah, no need to "belabor" this whole thing about the singer punching his bandmates, spitting on them, threatening them, demeaning them, etc. Let's just overlook that little, insignificant development, shall we?

Lawyers are the biggest assholes on the planet.


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posted by : Riotass666
7/15/2012 11:45:35 AM
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Taint knows there are plenty of witnesses to his assaults on his bandmates at that Brazil gig, so he has no choice but to acknowledge it and then try to downplay it. No witnesses for his previous assaults, too much time has passed, so we won't read anything about those.

Lawyers are paid to tell lies for you in courtrooms and documents. In the U.S. you can hide behind the right against self-incrimination and if you have money, you can hide behind the lies of your lawyer.


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posted by : So Sick
7/15/2012 11:19:53 AM
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I love the part where they claim Geoff Tate is a mild mannered and easy going guy. I don't even know why, but that's fucking hilarious.


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COMMENT | MARS ATTACKS
posted by : Vilehorde666
7/15/2012 2:51:03 PM
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Mars to martian Tate u have become a cabaret singer do u copy


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COMMENT | STFU
posted by : SloDanzer80
7/15/2012 3:05:56 PM
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I'm tired of seeing these moronic diva queen headlines. Worse than a bunch of yapping hens. Really!


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posted by : deerock
7/15/2012 10:38:25 PM
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Hey Geoff, see this comments? read up! Here's what the real fans really think about you.

GIVE IT UP LOOGIE BOY!


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COMMENT | Who cares
posted by : tartareandesire
7/16/2012 9:02:22 AM
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It's all about money and legal issues that doesn't concern anyone else but the company owners. Any random fan don't give a crap. All they want to hear is classic songs from the early albums. I doubt Queensrÿche will ever write interesting new music again no matter who's in the band.


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COMMENT | Drink another bottle of wine dickhead
posted by : lollygagger8
7/16/2012 9:59:20 AM
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Taint....your guyliner is seeping into your brain!


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posted by : DR. HETZER
7/17/2012 11:31:56 PM
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Just me and my whine....doing fine.

Fuck this Trainwreck of a band, they used to be one of my top 5 favorites, but they all act like a bunch of children playing in the sandbox now. They are all to blame. GT is a douche with LSD and the R/J/W guys all need to man up. I for one do not want this band to continue period. Don't want to hear the 'classics' without Taint or the rest of them with a Taint clone



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