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QUEENSRŸCHE: GEOFF TATE's Removal From The Band Was 'Of Outright Business Necessity' - July 10, 2012
QUEENSRŸCHE members Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Parker Lundgren announced on June 20 that they were parting ways with singer Geoff Tate and recruiting powerhouse vocalist Todd La Torre of CRIMSON GLORY as his replacement. The new QUEENSRŸCHE lineup has already performed live, having played two shows in their home city of Seattle under the name RISING WEST.

In a recent interview with RollingStone.com, Tate revealed that he filed a lawsuit against his former bandmates on June 12 in King County Superior Court in the state of Washington in order to "sort out who is what, and who owns what, and that stuff." Tate is also attempting to get a court injunction against Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield that would prevent them from using the name QUEENSRŸCHE for their new group.

On Monday, July 9, Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield filed a response to Tate's motion for preliminary injunction and included declarations from all of the defendants supporting their position that Tate's motion should be denied. As one would expect, these documents — copies of which have been obtained by BLABBERMOUTH.NET — contain startling details about the circumstances that led to the split between the singer and his one-time friends and longtime bandmates.

Several excerpts from Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield's response to Tate's complaint follow below.

"Plaintiff Geoff Tate, along with his wife, have brought suit against his former bandmates, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton, and the corporations they do business against, claiming that he is being oppressed. He now comes before this Court asking for a preliminary injunction stopping a majority of the band and shareholders from operating as the band they have been known as for 30 years. Not only is there no oppression, and all decisions were done for legitimate business reasons, but the facts will show that the only person engaging in oppression is Mr. Tate.

"Plaintiff Geoff Tate has systematically, in concert with his wife whom he installed as manager, taken more power unto himself within the band and its companies, shutting out the majority with a policy of ultimatums and brinksmanship, while engaging in naked self dealing. When his bandmates, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton finally said enough is enough and tried to move on to outside management, Mr. Tate reacted with a violent physical assault, leaving them no choice but to obtain a new singer. Mr. Tate has now followed with a combined legal and public relations assault in breach of his duties to the very corporations he claims his bandmates are harming. As such, the only oppressor here is Mr. Tate, and his ultimate claims, along with this motion for preliminary relief, fail.

"During this period of the late 1990s into the early 2000s, Susan Tate, Geoff Tate's wife, began her ascent to the ultimate management of the band. Susan Tate first began running the fan club and merchandising portions of the QUEENSRŸCHE operation. She then was instrumental in the firing of then current manager, Ray Daniels, and having him replaced with Lars Sorenson, to whom she then served as assistant. Then, in 2005, she took over management duties completely and Lars Sorenson was let go. This is quite an accomplishment since Susan Tate's only prior management experience was managing her previous husband's unsigned local band.

"Once Susan Tate was installed as manager, the Tates proceeded to take full control of the band. Geoff Tate began working with outside writers and regularly rejecting music offered by the band. Geoff and Susan Tate asserted full control over the budgeting and production process, not only cutting Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton out of the creative process, but eliminating songwriting royalties and manipulating all advances so as to coerce their cooperation. This was combined with constant threats from Geoff Tate to leave the band if his bandmates did not go along with his dictates. In an attempt to maintain what was left of the original membership and get what advance and other monies were available, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton went along with Geoff and Susan Tate's creative and business control of QUEENSRŸCHE. This is ironic as Geoff Tate has stated publicly on several occasions about his bandmates' integral role in the sound and overall makeup of QUEENSRŸCHE.

"The results of the Tates' stewardship of QUEENSRŸCHE have been disastrous. Under Tate leadership, QUEENSRŸCHE has produced three albums to wildly declining sales. 'Operation: Mindcrime II' has sold only 150,000 copies to date, compared to 500,000 for the original 'Operation: Mindcrime' in the first year alone, moving on to over a million a few years later. It also received only mediocre reviews. The next album, 'American Soldier', sold only 60,000 copies, less than half again. And last year's 'Dedicated To Chaos', sold an abysmal 20,000 copies. In addition, Geoff Tate has shown an almost messianic dedication to these ill-received songs and musical direction. He openly loathes the metal sound that made the band famous, even saying so to the press. Geoff Tate even refuses to perform the bulk of the songs from the first five, and most popular, albums, considering them 'stupid,' his refusal coming in the face of overwhelming fan demand.

"Although QUEENSRŸCHE has continued as a viable entity, the decline of recent years is evident in album sales and overall revenue. As a result, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton, who own 75% of the stock in the QUEENSRŸCHE entities and are three of four directors, decided in 2012 to take a more active role in the direction of the band entities.

"First, they looked into using outside professionals to run the fan club and merchandise as opposed to an in-house operation run by Susan Tate and Geoff's stepdaughter Miranda Tate. This was met with fierce resistance and even abuse of the outside firm being considered by Geoff and Susan Tate. Next the issue of outside professional management was suggested by Michael Wilton. This was met with even stronger resistance, with Geoff Tate dismissing the idea out of hand.

"During this time, the other bandmembers learned through Scott Rockenfield that Geoff Tate had negotiated a development deal for a movie based on QUEENSRŸCHE's popularconcept album, 'Operation: Mindcrime'. Scott Rockenfield received an e-mail from a mutual acquaintance who was part of the deal who explained how Geoff Tate was about to engage in a lucrative agreement. When Scott Rockenfield informed Eddie Jackson and Michael Wilton of this, they investigated with the QUEENSRŸCHE corporate attorney and confirmed that a six-figure advance was indeed being held by him until execution of documents by Geoff Tate, at which time the money would be paid to Geoff Tate alone. This is despite ownership of 'Operation: Mindcrime' and associated intellectual property by the QUEENSRŸCHE entities and former member Chris DeGarmo.

"Due to this litigation, the other bandmates (Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton) have now come into possession of the agreement executed by Geoff Tate for this movie option. Amazingly, and with no grant of authority from the band, Geoff Tate claimed full ownership in the 'Operation: Mindcrime' 'story,' procuring for himself a $150,000 fee, 20% of all royalties, and $10,000 upfront for an option, all payable to him alone, and with 20% for soundtrack and merchandise revenue to be split amongst him and the band.

"Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton were not to be deterred and set a directors meeting to discuss changes. Not only did Geoff Tate refuse to attend, he responded through legal counsel, demanding that Susan Tate and his attorney be present, that the meeting be rescheduled, and claiming that meeting notice via e-mail was inadequate. This was surprising to the other bandmates as all meetings had been set by e-mail or text for years, and even more shocking that Geoff Tate was speaking through an attorney about a meeting of their band of 30+ years. Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton had their properly called meeting anyway, and being a quorum and a majority, voted to remove Susan Tate as manager, move on to a professional outside merchandise company, and other related business. The next day, all band members flew to Sao Paulo, Brazil, for a previously scheduled performance. Several hours before the concert, Geoff Tate called for a meeting wherein he asked for confirmation of actions taken at the April 12, 2012 meeting. Geoff Tate also raised the issue of the 'Operation: Mindcrime' movie project advance, complaining bitterly that the other band members were holding up 'his money.' Following the meeting, the other bandmembers did not see Geoff Tate until on stage just before the beginning of their performance. Geoff Tate then viciously engaged in an unprovoked attack on Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton, and was only kept from Eddie Jackson due to the intervention of crew and security. These attacks were totally unprovoked and unjustified. This delayed the start of the performance over 20 minutes, and Geoff Tate continued to spit at, curse, and taunt his bandmates throughout the performance. The other bandmembers left immediately after the performance, avoiding Geoff Tate, who was flown home on a hastily booked separate flight. Following the Sao Paulo incident, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton knew of two contracted performances. The decision was made to attempt to be professional and carry out these obligations, and see if it was still possible for them to work with Geoff Tate. Unfortunately, Geoff Tate never apologized for his actions, continued to make threats, and engaged in erratic and bizarre behavior, even telling the audience they 'sucked' at the last performance. As a result, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton decided they had no choice but to move on. Although as a clear majority and quorum they had the ability to make this difficult decision for the good of the band on their own, they attempted to reach out and negotiate a settlement. This was flatly rejected by Geoff Tate. Thus, in a duly noticed meeting on June 2, 2012, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton voted to replace Geoff Tate with a new lead singer, and to expel and/or otherwise negotiate just compensation for his ownership interest. Negotiations failed, leading to the suit at bar.

"Following Geoff Tate's removal as lead singer, QUEENSRŸCHE performed under the moniker 'RISING WEST' for two sold-out shows and rave critical and fan reviews. On the strength of those shows, the new QUEENSRŸCHE has been signed by Frontline/AGPS Management, the largest and most powerful music management company in the world and a subsidiary of Live Nation. Within the first week, the new management was able to obtain three bookings at equal or better compensation than the old QUEENSRŸCHE. With the new QUEENSRŸCHE's dedication to the original five gold- and platinum-selling albums, and new material in the same vein, the demand has been tremendous. Conservatively, the new QUEENSRŸCHE could book over $4 million in gross tour revenue alone between now and the trial date in this matter, with commensurate surges in merchandise and back catalog sales.

"Geoff Tate, on the other hand, has taken to the press to denigrate his bandmates and their abilities, as well as tar them with labels of ineptitude and greed. Further, although Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield, and Michael Wilton are the rightful current controllers of the QUEENSRŸCHE entities and their assets, Geoff, Susan and Miranda Tate have locked them out of the official QUEENSRŸCHE Facebook account and band website, causing harm not only to the reputation of the band, but blocking revenue through sales on the QUEENRYCHE website.

"Geoff Tate's Motion for Preliminary Injunction is based on the presumption that he will ultimately be awarded the name 'QUEENSRŸCHE.' The only way this can occur is if the court grants a judicial dissolution of the QUEENSRŸCHE companies.

"For the reasons discussed below, Geoff Tate cannot reach this high and extraordinary burden. Not only were Eddie Jackson's, Scott Rockenfield's and Michael Wilton's actions nonoppressive, justified, and legitimate business actions, but the extreme remedy of dissolution is not warranted. The only purpose of dissolution would be to make the name 'QUEENSRŸCHE' able to be awarded to Geoff Tate, effectively giving a minority member and only 25% owner full and total control of the corporation's most valuable asset, with no precedent for such an action.

"Geoff Tate claims he had a reasonable expectation to remain in QUEENSRŸCHE forever, and, thus, is being oppressed by his bandmates' actions. However, such a belief is belied by the entity documents themselves. First, there is the Partnership Agreement, which is the only document that contemplates band membership and predates the creation of all the QUEENSRŸCHE entities. Far from this document being designed around an idea of permanent membership, it expressly has an expulsion clause allowing 75% of the partners to expel a member, and buyout procedures following such an expulsion. Even if this partnership agreement were deemed to have no legal effect, it still is illustrative of the reasonable expectations the members of the band had.

"Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton readily admit that Geoff Tate has shares in the QUEENSRŸCHE entities and is entitled to compensation. They even admit that if that amount of compensation cannot be negotiated, it may be for the Court to decide the proper amount. Thus any 'oppression' claimed by Geoff Tate results not from the disposition of his shares (since he is also asking the Court to establish a value for the shares so everyone is fairly compensated), it only comes from his removal as lead singer, which is in effect a termination of employment, an activity squarely within the authority of the directors to control.

"There are an abundance of legitimate reasons for the decision to replace Geoff Tate. The musical direction he has taken the band has led to a precipitous drop in album sales. Geoff Tate refuses to perform the bulk of the songs which made the band popular, nor produce music in that style. He surreptitiously attempted to obtain vast monies for an 'Operation: Mindcrime' movie for himself alone in an act of self dealing. Geoff Tate refused to take on new and professional management and operation of the merchandise and fan club, preferring his family serve in those roles and draw the salary from it. And, most important of all, when Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton tried to assert control and begin to reverse some of these bad business decisions, Geoff Tate engaged in a vicious, unprovoked physical assault for which he has shown no remorse until this proceeding. Geoff Tate then engaged in increasingly erratic behavior, threatening his bandmates and even lashing out at the audience. Not only was his removal a result of legitimate business concerns, but of outright business necessity!

"As discussed above, the only way Geoff Tate can be awarded the name QUEENSRŸCHE is through the harsh and extreme remedy of judicial dissolution of the QUEENSRŸCHE entities. Employment of such a drastic remedy is not only unwarranted due to the lack of oppression and legitimate business considerations discussed above, but it would not be fair and equitable, as such a remedy lies in equity.

"Geoff Tate's central claim for why he should get the name QUEENSRŸCHE is that it is the only 'equitable outcome' because 'he is the band.' As set forth in the declarations from Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton, QUEENSRŸCHE has always been a collaborative effort amongst its members, especially during its extremely successful first period. This has only changed during the last few unsuccessful albums, and due only to Geoff Tate's authoritarian ways. Moreover, Geoff Tate's odd reliance on songwriting royalties fails to recognize several other considerations. In fact, under Geoff Tate's logic, George Harrison and Ringo Starr were not really THE BEATLES, as the vast majority of the songs were written by John Lennon and Paul McCartney. Geoff Tate is not even a founding member of the band, having come in after all the EP material that launched QUEENSRŸCHE was written. He has only ever written lyrics and no music, and not even all the lyrics at that. In addition, over the last three albums, Geoff Tate, in concert with wife and manager Susan, has conspired to lock out Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton from the creative process. Thus, any recent uptick in songwriting credits has been a result of the last three albums, which were marked by rapidly declining sales and fan response. And, the bulk of the band entities' revenue has come from touring and the ancillary merchandise and back catalog sales in recent years. Additionally, Geoff Tate, through his physical assault, outrageous, naked self-dealing on the 'Operation: Mindcrime' movie, and other activities detrimental to the corporation and brand, has unclean hands and cannot ask for equitable relief. Plus, his defaming of his fellow bandmates and denigrating of the band in RollingStone.com, and wrongful lockout of Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield, and Michael Wilton from the QUEENSRŸCHE Facebook account and band websites, is in direct breach of his duties to the corporations themselves.

"On the other hand, the remaining members have a strong claim to the QUEENSRŸCHE name. As the original founding members of the band and a clear majority, they have the strongest claim. Moreover, Geoff Tate himself has acknowledged publicly the importance of QUEENSRŸCHE's popularity coming from its 'sound,' and how that sound originates with the musicians Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton. As Geoff Tate has never written any music for any QUEENSRŸCHE songs, this stands to reason. And . . . it is this sound, coupled by a willingness to return to it as it was in the first five albums, both in new and old material, which will let QUEENSRŸCHE succeed well beyond its current performance, something that cannot happen with Geoff Tate's refusal to embrace QUEENSRŸCHE's past.

"No preliminary injunction should be issued. Geoff Tate is not likely to succeed on the merits. He has not been oppressed, because his expectation to remain as QUEENSRŸCHE's lead singer forever is not reasonable. Geoff Tate's removal as lead singer was due to legitimate business considerations, including his takeover of the creative process to bad results, rejection of the popular parts of the music catalog, and his physical assault of his bandmates and subsequent erratic behavior. Judicial dissolution is an extreme remedy only undertaken in rare circumstances, and without judicial dissolution, Geoff Tate cannot be awarded the name QUEENSRŸCHE. And award of the name must be done through equity, and doing so would be the opposite. An injunction would not properly balance the harms among the band members, third parties, or the public. And, the bond for any injunction must be in the millions to adequately protect the potential loss.

"Geoff Tate needs to be compensated for his shares in the QUEENSRŸCHE entities, no one denies this. He also has a right to ask the Court to determine a fair amount if that cannot be done through negotiation. But, he does not have a right to take QUEENSRŸCHE's name for himself, nor to harm the brand, band and corporations for months by denying its use while this case is fully adjudicated on the merits. Therefore, Plaintiff's motion should be DENIED."

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COMMENT | #
posted by : Dratera
7/10/2012 8:16:30 PM
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*waits for it*


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COMMENT | And ...
posted by : Voivodling
7/10/2012 8:23:55 PM
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Have a nice day Geoff!

VOIVOD!


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COMMENT | holy fuck that was long
posted by : And Then There Were None
7/10/2012 8:26:14 PM
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and, while redundant, fairly telling if true.

no singer having never written music should "own" a band's name.

his lyrics aren't even that great. he fancies himself some kind of poet. hardly.


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COMMENT | What a mess
posted by : Steviestiches
7/10/2012 8:31:56 PM
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As the world turns, I guess.


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COMMENT | sheesh
posted by : edtheward
7/10/2012 8:32:09 PM
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I cant beleive I read all of that. but I did. longest post ever.


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COMMENT | meh
posted by : funbastard
7/10/2012 8:39:09 PM
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i've never heard of anyone in qr that isn't a douche. they all deserve each other.


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COMMENT | Metal Algebra class
posted by : Hawkwinder
7/10/2012 8:40:27 PM
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Geoff Tate=Ozzy Osbourne
Susan Tate=Sharon Osbourne=Yoko (Oh No!)
Miranda Tate=Kelly Osbourne
Op Mindcrime=Sabotage
Dedicated to Chaos=Scream
Insania=Snorting ants of the sidewalk
Queensryche sharing the stage w/ Scorps=Original Sab 11/11/11 reunion-No Bill Ward =Has it come to that?


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posted by : Dr. Unk
7/10/2012 8:43:07 PM
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Can I get the Cliff Notes for this article?


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COMMENT | The band is MINE!
posted by : 11:11
7/10/2012 8:53:11 PM
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How can ya kick me out of what is MIIIIIIIIIIIINE!?


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posted by : YodaAct666
7/10/2012 8:55:26 PM
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RIP, Queensryche


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posted by : Zambo
7/10/2012 8:56:06 PM
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Just talked to Colin Powell and he said he ain't reading all that shit.


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COMMENT | stupid
posted by : Weirwolfe
7/10/2012 8:57:37 PM
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If Mr Tate considers the first five albums stupid, he has no business being in Queensryche.


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COMMENT | I smell a....
posted by : Wooderson
7/10/2012 8:58:05 PM
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REUNION show coming up within the next couple of years. Crimson Glory guy needs to cash in as quickly as possible because he will be gone within the next year or so.


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COMMENT | 'RE: I smell a....'
posted by : Tama Basher
7/10/2012 9:12:18 PM
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I'll take that bet. I think they'll be so enamoured with larger concert crowds and record sales that they'll never look back to Tate.


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COMMENT | Pointy shoes and a neat hat...
posted by : aceofd1amonds
7/10/2012 8:59:55 PM
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I feel like that was written by a particularly eloquent town crier...and I liked it. I'm going to start beginning my supporting sentences with, "Further,..."


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posted by : UptheIrons666
7/10/2012 9:00:05 PM
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Riviting tale chap. Can't wait for QR 2.0


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COMMENT | Waaaah
posted by : Maggotbrain70
7/10/2012 9:00:35 PM
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'Reading is hard, this post is so long!"

Jesus Christ, people.

Anyway, it seems pretty obvious which side of the story is at least much more accurate. The known facts back up the band a lot more than Tate.

Saw them in 2005 and 2006 and they were awesome both times, outwardly things seemed to go downhill from there. Tate just sounds fucking nuts now.


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posted by : Unearthed217
7/10/2012 9:03:45 PM
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a lot to read for a band that blows.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/11/2012 1:00:49 AM
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Seems like a lot of typing and clicking for an idiot who has nothing to say as well.


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COMMENT | OK
posted by : RedZombie
7/10/2012 9:12:34 PM
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I think we got the idea with the last one.


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posted by : Bladdermouth
7/10/2012 9:13:04 PM
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I miss the time when Chris Degarmo was playing in my once favorite band. Now it is just a poor version of a great band that it used to be. RIP Queensryche


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posted by : aly156
7/12/2012 9:59:46 AM
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Yes...when Chris left, the magic left.


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COMMENT | Looking forward to Queensryche finally
posted by : opeth_66
7/10/2012 9:16:10 PM
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It's been a long time since I was interested in hearing new Queensryche. I have to admit that I'm very interested in hearing what they'll put together with Todd. I've been a fan since '83 and I've had a hard time listening to their records since Promised Land.

On a second note, as opposed to what Geoff did with his interview in Rolling Stone and Billboard, the remaining members of the band haven't tried to smear Geoff's name in public and wage a war of public opinion with lies and half-truths. We aren't reading a statement released to the media, these are declarations that were made, as was necessary, for the court proceeding that Geoff instigated. If it was up to the remaining members as well as Chris Degarmo, we wouldn't have access to these documents and this would have been kept quiet. We're only now starting to discover how and why Chris left the band 15 years ago.

I wish Geoff the best on his own, but it's time to go....


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COMMENT | 'RE: Looking forward to Queensryche finally'
posted by : aly156
7/12/2012 10:01:23 AM
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I wish they would bring Chris back now that Geoff is gone. Rekindle the magic.


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7/10/2012 9:19:33 PM
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Wow, that's a story! I guess tate should already rolls his eyes backward saying to himself: "I should have learnt a lesson from the Yoko fail". There you go, brash men.


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COMMENT | Tate didn't mean to say "oppressed"
posted by : zappafrank
7/10/2012 9:32:09 PM
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What he actually meant was "Help help, I'm bein' repressed!"


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7/10/2012 9:34:23 PM
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HOLY SHIT, that was incredibly telling, and a LOT more than the public ever gets to know regarding a band break up. If the above is true, Geoff is fucking toast. He should get royalties for his past efforts, but the whole thing with the movie was nothing but dirty pool, hands down one of the most egocentric moves I have ever heard of, and I'm a huge Danzig and Van Halen fan, and this shit surprises even me.

I am starting to really get interested in where this band goes, and Scott, well done, maybe you should have been a law student. By the way, I think the craziest thing about all of this is how they found a singer that sounds exactly, and I mean EXACTLY like Geoff Tate. His similarity to Geoff is so close that it makes the Ripper/Halford comparison laughable.

Well Queensryche, once you get your legal shit in one sock, Please write the album we know you can!


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COMMENT | ha
posted by : Skanna
7/10/2012 9:41:37 PM
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And this is why there are so many solo artists in the world - because people are impossible to work with for any extended period time.


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COMMENT | Geoff,
posted by : The_Bells_of_Lal
7/10/2012 9:51:18 PM
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Please do the right thing and just give the Queensryche name to the remaining original members. You and your family have just about ruined Queensrchye's legacy so try and do the right thing for once and let it go. BTW.....you are a complete douchebag!


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COMMENT | Countdown to DeGarmo
posted by : bringbackacidbath
7/10/2012 10:04:45 PM
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How long til DeGarmo returns full time now that Taint is gone?

I'm setting the over/under at 6 months...


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COMMENT | Geoff....
posted by : armz00
7/10/2012 10:08:57 PM
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So far removed on why you were with queensryche- go work at Starbucks because no musician in there right mind will want to work with you if your only premise is to put on the "you" show GAGA!

There's enough corporate assholes trying to take musicians livelihoods and put them in there back pocket just to screw them while they look for their next victim....1 shot or 2?


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COMMENT | um
posted by : UserRating
7/10/2012 10:16:00 PM
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"not only cutting Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Michael Wilton out of the creative process"

I don't care about either side, or the band for many years now, but why the heck would you hang yourself in your own legal filing? lol


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COMMENT | don't drink it
posted by : babysitter
7/10/2012 10:25:06 PM
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Don't drink his wine. He probably spit in that too. hehe.

He must be one hell of an actor as I've never seen him lose his cool in any interview or video footage. Maybe I've missed one I don't know. But it is kind of hard to imagine him flipping the fuck out. Then again what the hell do I know. It's not like I know the guy.


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COMMENT | Wow
posted by : Sub Par Porn Stars
7/10/2012 10:25:20 PM
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That was maybe the longest post I've ever read. I have to admit when I heard Geoff's side first, I was like wow, the band are a bunch of dicks. But now I read this and this seems more to the meat and potatoes.

I think the band will prevale and get the rights to the name.

I've seen QR many times over the years, seeing them twice open for Twisted Sister on their EP tour. Even then, I remember Geoff being a bit of a primadonna on stage, nearly knocking the monitor into me, because it was in the right place for him on the small bar stage. Then a few times inbetween before Chris left. I think it was The Warning and Rage tours. Missed Op. Mindcrime tour, but just saw them on their next to last gig at M3. (at which point I was a pit photographer) during the second song Geoff hurdled the mic stand toward the pit, narrowly missing the photographer next to me. I remember thinking... Wow, what an A hole. Which ironically was the first impression of the guy. I think he and Sabastian Bach both are God's cruel little jokes... putting great voices in guys like that... ha ha


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COMMENT | Pure Greed
posted by : heavy trevy
7/10/2012 10:26:57 PM
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keep it simple boys

If you contributed anything to make a hit record, all those that did gets whats owed to them.

But then theres no biz like showbiz


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posted by : MetalPriestFan
7/10/2012 10:28:44 PM
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Why did the other members wait this long to go against Tate if they wanted to do metal? QR haven't been good since "Empire."


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COMMENT | Ugly situation here
posted by : RiotAct666
7/10/2012 10:45:37 PM
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?Three sides to every story and we'll never know the truth but really putting the wife & stepdaughter in management control was not good business and a successful band is really just that. However the movie deal would have pissed me off too, that was way out of line. Honestly Tate should just step down with dignity instead of dragging this out further. What a disgrace to a truly great band.

Court documents show how Geoff spit at, verbally attacked and threw punches at his band mates. Can you blame them for being unable to work with Geoff again.


No matter which side is right, no one should use the name Queensryche from now on. They should all let its legacy rest in peace.


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posted by : suckingchestwound
7/10/2012 10:46:58 PM
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Finally. Geoff Tate has been fing this band up for far too long.


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COMMENT | This business sucks sometimes
posted by : starrvox
7/10/2012 11:07:23 PM
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So sad that it came to all of this.


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COMMENT | Good for them.
posted by : Riotass666
7/10/2012 11:15:29 PM
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They had to respond publicly, lest Geoff Taint steal Queensyrche from them, and their statement looks like a good one. I'm glad to read that they had a legal arrangement already, they own 75% of Queensryche, and unless the Taint family attempts a Sauron Osbourne 50% lawsuit maneuver, they should be able to take the Queensryche name.

Fuck Geoff Taint, and bring back the real Queensryche!


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COMMENT | 'RE: Good for them.'
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/11/2012 1:14:37 AM
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They didn't "respond publicly" dumbass. That's a legal document, not a press release. And stop calling Geoff Tate by your little 3rd grade name, it's fucking annoying. Repeat after me, GEOFF TATE is an asshole. It's not that hard!


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Good for them.'''
posted by : Riotass666
7/11/2012 5:06:57 PM
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Fuck you. Legal documents are public record. Stay in school, boy.

Geoff Taint and Evil_Twin are both assholes.


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COMMENT | Honestly Queensryche's legacy lies in the band NOT JUST TATE.
posted by : immortal_soloist
7/10/2012 11:25:23 PM
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Queensryche's sound is what made the band. Many true Queensryche fans know that Michale Wilton,Scott Rockenfield,and Chris Degarmo were responsible for that epic Queensryche sound. Geoff Tate has been a great lyricist no doubt. But the last record was horrendous,and the one's before this album were just alright. Nothing special.

Queensryche should continue without Geoff Tate,in recent times he has done nothing more than just destroying the legacy of this amazing band. I feel with Todd La Tore they are revitalized and focused. I clearly remember when "Dedicated To Chaos" came out,Michale Wilton was interviewed and he mentioned how excited he and the band were about writing the album. He said they wrote a lot of great material but then Geoff had his own idea for the album and they had to rewrite the entire record,which turned in to the trash that we heard on "Dedicated To Chaos".

Please we all know who rightfully owns Queensryche,and who should continue with that name. Clearly it's not Geoff Tate in my opinion.He has caused enough damage to the band and I feel Chris Degarmo has a chance to come back.

Maybe we could have a Iron Maiden type of situation with three great guitar players,who knows. But I feel that finally Queensryche can come out with a proper record after a long,long time. Chris Degarmo's departure wasn't without a reason,I am sure these things started to happen back then and he couldn't take it.

But in the recent years I believe Geoff Tate crossed all limits. A great singer,but a major douche that ruined the art of the band and just wanted money. If he calls the first five albums stupid,well he doesn't deserve the band's name in the first place. Plus he isn't a founding member to start with.

Geoff seriously man,I thought Axl Rose had issues...........You lost all my respect along with a lot of true Queensryche fans.
If you still have a brain,leave respectfully. PLEASE!!!!


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COMMENT | 'RE: Honestly Queensryche''s legacy lies in the band NOT JUST TATE.'
posted by : aly156
7/12/2012 10:04:50 AM
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Well said. I totally agree with you! :o)


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posted by : stevemcsteve
7/10/2012 11:37:24 PM
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I guess he really did pull a knife.


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COMMENT | This guy's delusional
posted by : Scatter
7/11/2012 12:49:10 AM
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"Operation: Mindcrime II' has sold only 150,000 copies to date, compared to 500,000 for the original 'Operation: Mindcrime' in the first year alone, moving on to over a million a few years later. "

Uh, yeah... metal as a whole went down the tubes sales wise after the late eighties, early nineties. This wasn't unique to Queensryche.


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posted by : Evil_Twin
7/11/2012 12:51:23 AM
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So in conclusion Your Honor, if it pleases the court, Geoff Tate can eat a dick!


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COMMENT | while i agree with the bands decision and believe that a truly killer.......
posted by : Self_Science
7/11/2012 1:18:38 AM
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metal record could help restore credibility to the Queensryche name, there are a few points I think worth raising:

1.Most QR fans would agree the rot set in with Here In the Now Frontier, which was pretty much a career killer. The excuse they gave for making it--popularity of alt rock, record company pressure etc--was not convincing as Promised land sold a million copies in the mid 90s at the height of the alt rock boom. And unlike Megadeth youthanasia, there was no expectation that it was going to sell millions either, so I doubt the label lost money on it

2. The time to make a return to metal was with Q2K but they fucked it. Tribe was an improvement but nothing special, and while OM2 was certainly a disappointment, it was still better received than the previous two records.

Geoff was becoming a huge problem, no doubt, but the band were on the skids well before OM2




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COMMENT | Axl Rose Seattle Style
posted by : spaceneedle
7/11/2012 2:26:48 AM
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GT has had a reputation for being db for some time. In fact he was known to be a db clear back when the band was playing gigs at the Lake Hills roller rink! The Seattle music scene is very small and everyone knows everyone else. GT has not made very many friends over the years here. What a shame - hope the other band members prevail. I have said for 20 years that Operation Mindcrime would make a brilliant rock opera. If Green Day can do it with American Idiot, so could QR. But an animated film hit? Like Rock of Ages? Not.


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posted by : ParasiteLost
7/11/2012 2:29:14 AM
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Damn, that was a long read but well worth it. I hope the courts side up with the band and tell Geoff to suck it.


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COMMENT | ::ahem::
posted by : ScorpionRadio
7/11/2012 2:39:04 AM
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Dont be mislead here, it is just as it reads. NO ONE is getting sued ....yet
"Things need to get sorted out" and I am sure it is going to come right down to who has whos name on what.
You may like him or dislike him, it is fact. Besides one other surviving member of queensryche, Geoff owns majority of the intellectual rights to a LOT of songs.
Now...the other member would be the primary material producer for the band, and that was Chris Degarmo. So...now what?
Are the courts going to rule in Geoff's favor? Probably ,just because he is the last entitled to.
That means, this new band "may" have to rethink its strategy. Scott and Micheal have a handful at best material they can legally play now.
Which...will leave them in the shits if they dont do original material, that sells.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ::ahem::'
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/11/2012 8:22:40 AM
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You haven't the slightest fucking idea what you are talking about. Yes, someone IS being sued. Geoff Tate filed a lawsuit and this is their response. Try to keep up!


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posted by : DTC
7/11/2012 4:21:02 AM
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Wow, that's even worse than I thought. Sabbath firing Ozzy, Max exiting Sepultura, Jason out of Tallica or the Sharon/Daisley/Kerslake feud don't even come close!


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COMMENT | ###
posted by : tyranakok
7/11/2012 4:37:44 AM
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Kick ASS!


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COMMENT | Songs
posted by : TJ_1979
7/11/2012 6:10:44 AM
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I'm not sure Geoff can keep QR from performing songs he has written. (like cover bands can). And I'm not sure he would want to either, since he would get paid royalties for it.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Songs'
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/11/2012 8:20:14 AM
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No he can't keep them from performing Queensryche songs in concert and no he doesn't get royalties from live performances unless they are broadcast in some way.


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posted by : groggrog
7/11/2012 7:30:54 AM
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So if Geoff didn't write the music on the last three albums, who did? The other guys? If that's the case then their argument about how lame those albums were is flat.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/11/2012 8:18:47 AM
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Ask stupid question much? If you bothered to read any of this shit, you'd know that Geoff Tate wrote the songs with outside writers of his choosing.


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COMMENT | Easy
posted by : TJ_1979
7/11/2012 8:20:39 AM
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Geoff and outside writers, man. I suspect the credits the rest of the band got was for a few small adjustments.


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posted by : juanneman
7/11/2012 9:19:41 AM
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You get what you deserve Geoff. Your true self has been FINALLY confirmed and unmasked. Nothing more to add.


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COMMENT | Lundgren
posted by : Angry Metal Guy
7/11/2012 10:56:11 AM
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I think it's interesting that Lundgren voted to be off with Tate even though he's poking Tate's daughter. Anyone know anything more about this? Am I misunderstanding the situation?


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COMMENT | 'RE: Lundgren'
posted by : Evil_Twin
7/11/2012 1:03:34 PM
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They broke up!


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COMMENT | the reality
posted by : oldschooler
7/11/2012 8:02:04 PM
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just a fuckin mess he was plannin to tour on the 30th mindcrime tour but latorre and co fucked that one up


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COMMENT | Its almost
posted by : norwegian1882
7/12/2012 12:02:48 AM
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like all this is scripted: Insania (insania??!!), Dedicated to chaos (look inside!), Big Noize (gonna make big noizee!!).

I'm not buying this whole "GT is evil" narrative. I can smell the bs from far away. This must be some kind of "stunt." DTC is on roadrunner, blabbermouth (also roadrunner) runs long loong stories ... almost like a book. I know something about GT: He is extremely intelligent, and he would never get himself into something like this (unless ...?).

Damm that Tate and QR!


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COMMENT | Disappointed
posted by : aly156
7/12/2012 9:53:28 AM
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I have been a die hard Queensyche fan since the 80s (uh oh..showing my age). I have been disappointed with the direction the band went. I didn't even bother to buy their last two CD's. And the last time I saw them in concert, they didn't do anything older than Operation Mindcrime. I love their older stuff so I felt very let down. So reading all this, it now makes sense. Actually some of the magic in the creativity of the band was lost when Chris DeGarmo left. I hope Michael, Eddie and Scott get to keep the name and continue to perform as Queensryche. Bring back Chris!! I'll go to a show!! And this is hard for me because I always loved Geoff as well. Heck, he even held the microphone out to me once I and got to sing with the band! So hearing of his actions and the direction he was forcing the band to go really disappoints me.


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COMMENT | Cris DeGarmo
posted by : No Prisoners
7/12/2012 10:08:22 PM
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I would love to see him back in the band and all so do some vocals to. Not to dis Tod at all.


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