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NORTH SIDE KINGS Frontman Working On Book About GLENN DANZIG Punchout - June 27, 2012
Since the altercation between Glenn Danzig and NORTH SIDE KINGS singer and frequent SOULFLY collaborator Danny Marianino in 2004, Danny has been collecting and saving a slew of hate mail, derogatory posts on blogs and messages that are "so ridiculous it will blow your mind." Finally, some of the "best bullshit" following this event has been compiled into an amusing book detailing the circumstances that led to the confrontation. "Don't Ever Punch A Rock Star - A Collection Of Hate Mail & Other Crazy Rumors" profiles "a regular guy's journey in music and learning to shrug off one of the most opinionated events in music history," according to a the book's official description. "Plus an amazing amount of hate mail."

For more information, go to this location.

In a recent interview with LA Weekly, Danzig was asked about the widely circulated video clip where Marianino confronted Glenn backstage because Danny's band didn't get to play at one of DANZIG's gigs before Glenn shoves him and ends up getting punched out by Marianino. To this day, there are those who are surprised that someone with Danzig's martial-arts training should have been so easily knocked down. "That was him trying to get me on camera punching him so he could sue me or some shit," Danzig said. "I forget what it was. When everyone was breaking it up, he coldcocked me. What are you going to do?" He added, "Those were his guys with the camera. No one knows that. Well, back then they did. It was a setup."

In the May 2011 issue of U.K.'s Metal Hammer magazine, Glenn stated about the incident, "I allowed it to happen. Why? Because there are always those looking to goad you into hitting them so they can sue you. It happens to public figures all the time. It's a way of life."

Speaking to Spin magazine in 2007, Danzig elaborated on his reasons for avoiding a full-on physical altercation with Marianinho. "No one asks, 'Why did you push him instead of nailing him right in the face?' 'Cause there's a camera rolling!" he said. 'I have so many friends who've lost tons of money from that setup, punching people and getting sued. One of my guys a long time ago worked for GUNS N' ROSES and he told me, 'You're lucky you've never been sued.' He said Duff McKagan would go into these clubs, and a guy would have a friend there with a camera: 'Hey, GUNS N' ROSES pussy!' [Strikes fist against palm, mimicking a punch] And they'd walk out. Next day, million-dollar lawsuit."

When asked about the incident in a 2006 interview with KNAC.COM, Danzig said, "I know they (the NORTH SIDE KINGS) milked it (the video) for all they could. But that was two years ago. I don't know how much good it ended up doing for them. Are they even still around? The only people who keep bringing it up are you people (music hacks). And, yes, I am sick of talking about it. But the people who have always liked me probably still like me, the people who hate me probably still hate me. It didn't change anything."

In a July 2004 statement to BLABBERMOUTH.NET, Danny Marianino explained the circumstances that led to his confrontation with Danzig. "NORTH SIDE KINGS were to play with DANZIG [on July 3, 2004] in Tuba City, Arizona," he said. "To make a long story short, the whole show was a disaster and a few bands got bumped off. Mr. Danzig (or his management??) refused to push back the original scheduled time slot so NORTH SIDE KINGS and RAPID FIRE would have to play 'after' his set. Whatever — we agreed to play later because we drove 6 hours and didn't feel like going home without playing.

"Needless to say, as soon as DANZIG was finished, the venue turned on the lights and DANZIG's crew and the staging company began to take the stage apart almost instantly. I confronted Mr. Danzig backstage while he was signing autographs and told him I thought he was an asshole because of his 'rock star' attitude and no consideration towards the FEW other bands that got bumped off tonight. In a fit of rage, he turned around and slammed me into the wall yelling 'Fuck you, motherfucker,' trying to be a big, tough guy in front of his fans. I, in self-defense, punched him in the face, knocking him out as he was attacking me again. He went down, bleeding from his mouth, eyes rolled back, and in shock that he got knocked to the floor so quickly. A friend happened to tape the entire incident and this is all documented. Many witnesses saw him attack me, and I did what any man would do.

"It was unfortunate that this went the way it did — and I hoped Glenn Danzig learned a valuable lesson [that night]: Do not lay your hands on anyone unless you can handle what may happen.

"I apologize for nothing, except for the poor little kids that had to witness this big asshole get his ass kicked in a matter of seconds..."



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posted by : tempsoundsolutions
6/27/2012 4:46:48 PM
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DUDE IS STUCK IN THE PAST!


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posted by : twoslowjoe
6/27/2012 6:36:08 PM
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So are 90% of the people that post on Blabbermouth


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Squiga
6/27/2012 6:39:32 PM
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or his rapcore band needs publicity. probably the latter


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posted by : paulnmb
6/28/2012 10:45:37 AM
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Because putting out a book clearly means you're "cashing in" & living the rest of your life sipping white wine on a yacht. Get over your clueless selves. Maybe leave your desk on your lunch break, get some air, enjoy yourself. do something different.


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COMMENT | Chapter 1
posted by : newob
6/27/2012 4:47:49 PM
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Glenn and I got into an argument backstage at one of our shows and then I knocked him out....

The End


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COMMENT | 'RE: Chapter 1'
posted by : long in the tooth
6/27/2012 5:39:31 PM
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...a magazine maybe!


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Chapter 1'''
posted by : LynchRhoadsOliva
6/27/2012 6:34:54 PM
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I say when you push someone and call them a motherfucker you get dropped faster than a prom dress. Having said that, to right a book based upon about 12 seconds of this shit is a fucking pathetic joke.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: Chapter 1'''''''
posted by : LynchRhoadsOliva
6/27/2012 6:35:49 PM
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write^ i need Rosetta Stone


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COMMENT | Well, well, well...
posted by : Alex101
6/27/2012 4:48:33 PM
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I wonder what Glenn's gonna say when he sees this book.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Well, well, well...'
posted by : slaytallicadethrax
6/28/2012 3:12:42 AM
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"I raped your mother today!"


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COMMENT | I predict this book
posted by : blabbermeth
6/27/2012 4:50:21 PM
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won't even make the Dollar Tree's Top 100 best seller book list.


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COMMENT | WoW...
posted by : Nomader
6/27/2012 4:50:53 PM
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...how sad is that?


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COMMENT | 'RE: WoW...'
posted by : aztec
6/27/2012 6:27:05 PM
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HAHA! WAY sad. Sadder than when Kiss came out with mount Kissmore. Sadder than there being two Great White bands. Sadder than Butcherd Babbies. Sadder than Testament using a drum machine. Sadder than Rock of Ages. Sadder than Baby Rock. Sadder than when Slayer came out with the blanket. Sadder than LuLu.


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posted by : Kid Lightning
6/27/2012 4:51:45 PM
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Is this this dudes only claim to fame, a brief altercation with Glenn Danzig?

Besides... who the fuck are the North Side Kings...?


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posted by : blabbermeth
6/27/2012 4:56:39 PM
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The North Side Kings you could call them a one-hit wonder...


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : vanbasten6247
6/28/2012 3:04:01 AM
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LOL.


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posted by : KILO G
6/27/2012 4:52:58 PM
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what a piece of shit.

the person and the book.


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posted by : Double Shit-Talkin Jive
6/27/2012 4:54:27 PM
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This No Class Jackass has nothing to do with art


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COMMENT | Holy fucking shit
posted by : wild rover of hell
6/27/2012 4:57:09 PM
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...this is pathetic. I thought it had to be some kind of joke but it's not. Oh my. Have some fucking dignity dude (whatever you fuckin name is). Just checked, he's Italian, what a pity, fucking embarrassment, nothing more. Why do we continuously show our worst side?!?!?


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COMMENT | What a fuicking loser this douche is!
posted by : redrumloa
6/27/2012 4:57:48 PM
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I don't care what people say about Danzig being stuck up, this douchbag needs to off himself.


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COMMENT | I always say ...
posted by : Green Machinist
6/27/2012 4:58:46 PM
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...most of the time in a fight, both sides are assholes and neither one is right.
Ding. Ding.


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COMMENT | Pathetic
posted by : viking666
6/27/2012 5:01:10 PM
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Danzig may be a man child, but I have the upmost respect for his contribution to the metal and punk genre. It is disheartening scum like this cash in like this tarnishing Danzig's nearly 40 years of hard work and creativity.


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posted by : jokerstyle
6/27/2012 5:02:11 PM
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Danzig went grocery shopping today...this is what he got

1. can of sardines
2. box of saltines
3. frozen pizza
4. rice cakes
5. one dozen burritos
6. Shrek 2 on DVD
7. three liter bottle of mountain dew
8. yams

then he saw Steve Perry and this is what he got

1. cola


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COMMENT | 'lol'
posted by : Alex101
6/27/2012 5:23:17 PM
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That's the funniest thing I've ever heard about Glenn in my life. I guess he also forgot one thing, some kitty litter and some chicken patties to make a chicken sandwich.


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COMMENT | Ya So
posted by : Hemiskull
6/27/2012 5:08:08 PM
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Some publisher offered buddy from NSK some money to spill the beans about the Glenny KO.

Seems to get alot of attention on BM, story posted for 5min and 6 comments already.

take the money and run...


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posted by : Sex.Murder.Art
6/27/2012 5:11:31 PM
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Danzig wasn't knocked off, he threw himself on the floor. Smart move and I believe him when he's talking about a setup for a lawsuit.


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
6/27/2012 5:17:39 PM
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This is completely ridiculous!!!


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posted by : Sadistikexekution
6/27/2012 5:28:20 PM
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This book won't sell, it'll soon be a knockout sorry knockoff.


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posted by : Nefty175
6/27/2012 5:30:40 PM
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Somebody get that guy a job, PLEASE.

If it weren't for that incident, that guy would be resorting to making gay porn by now.


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COMMENT | sad
posted by : laggerlugger
6/27/2012 5:34:45 PM
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hey glad you took care of him but how many years ago was this? your music must really suck if this is the oinly thing you are known for!


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COMMENT | book tour?
posted by : Beerbreath
6/27/2012 5:35:36 PM
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If this NorthSideKing dude and his band were a sucessful band nowdays, wouldnt a book about something that happened so long ago be irrelevent?


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posted by : gargomre
6/27/2012 5:39:11 PM
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O' DOYLE RULES!!!!!


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posted by : Kaledon's bulge
6/27/2012 5:45:18 PM
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Way to strike while the iron is hot, buddy.


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posted by : mansnam
6/27/2012 5:49:07 PM
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What a washed up asshole. His only claim to fame is punching a guy. North Side who?


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COMMENT | This was amusing 8 years ago...
posted by : c@nuckthr@sh3r
6/27/2012 5:49:16 PM
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...Now it's just sad. Move on, dude. Nobody cares anymore.


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COMMENT | Two hits, Danzig's face and the floor
posted by : s c o r n f u l
6/27/2012 5:49:17 PM
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This video never gets old. I love it. Especially in slow motion when Glen spins like a top.

Danzig the Midget thought he would act extra 'rock star' tough in front of his adoring fans in the hallway by shoving someone much bigger than he was.

Well, he got punched so fuckin hard, he spun around and hit the ground like the bitch that he is. Fucking pussy.

Memo to rock stars, if you are going to act tough, be sure to have your bodyguards there to do the fighting for you.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Two hits, Danzig''s face and the floor'
posted by : sack-of-scrote
6/27/2012 6:49:06 PM
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Danny Marianino is that you?


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COMMENT | The video doesn't lie!
posted by : trickbunny
6/27/2012 5:50:41 PM
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Hilarious. Danzig says that people were breaking the fight up when dude coldcocked him- like it was some unexpected sucker punch. Meanwhile, the video CLEARLY shows that Danzig pushed the guy and dude came right back and swung and Danzig got KTFO.

I think Danzig just needs to grow up and admit he got his ass kicked. But of course, because of his "image," he has to pretend like something else happened. Pathetic.


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COMMENT | fat dude needing money
posted by : warghoul666
6/27/2012 5:55:34 PM
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Chapter 1:
I ate seven whole pies before starting my drive to the venue.

Chapter 2:

120 miles down the road I was feeling famished, so I got off at the nearest exit where I found an all you can eat buffet. 4 hours later I looked down at my watch. After wiping off the spilled gravy I noticed I was late, so I ordered a pie to go and got back on the road.

Chapter 3.

I staggered into the venue as I pulled out my cell phone to order a pizza. I had to sit down as I was getting light headed due to insufficient calorie intake. This ultimately caused me to miss my time slot.

Chapter 4.

I punched Glenn Danzig

Chapter 5.

It was getting late and I spent the rest of the night searching for a waffle house.

The end.


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COMMENT | Lesson #1
posted by : Circus Of Power
6/27/2012 6:02:01 PM
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Never start a fight with a push.

Glenn got smoked like a cheap cigar.

Danzig fan by the way.


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posted by : zbtrocker
6/27/2012 6:04:01 PM
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Beyond lame.


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posted by : zbtrocker
6/27/2012 6:06:06 PM
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His next book will be about the backlash he got from writing a book about about the backlash he got for punching Glenn Danzig.


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posted by : Squiga
6/27/2012 6:38:31 PM
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Danzigception


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COMMENT | FUCK IT!
posted by : pigchop
6/27/2012 6:17:53 PM
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Set up an all-out beat down match between the two of them. Whoever loses has to wear a bra and panties during his next performance.


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COMMENT | RIP KURT COBAIN
posted by : destructivesounds
6/27/2012 6:21:05 PM
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Fat fuck losers like this drove him to suicide by getting involved with rock music.

Glenn Danzig is an artist and fat boy is a wannabe hardcore punk rock singer with no talent, except for being a douche.



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posted by : Christonabike
6/27/2012 6:21:05 PM
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I'll wait on the movie , Tom Cruise to play Danzig and Jack Black to play Marianino .
Includes extra footage of the roadcrew taking the stage apart .


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COMMENT | That video is pure comedy
posted by : Ice Devil
6/27/2012 6:22:44 PM
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Seriously, this is some the best candid camera footage I've ever seen. Makes me bust a gut every time.


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COMMENT | This is funny
posted by : nobodylovesanybody
6/27/2012 6:39:08 PM
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There's (still) so many holes (and utter bullshit) in his (now older than dirt) story.

1. Bands get bumped all the time. Did he actually think Danzig--the headliner--would move his set time and have somebody play AFTER him? He forgot to mention whether or not they still got paid even if they didn't play. Besides, the promoters turned the lights on, not Danzig's crew.
2. "In a fit of rage." Yeah, because most people take some assclown calling them an asshole because their shitty band couldn't play in an easy stride.
3. There's no wall for Danzig to slam him into. Unless he counts the completely empty space within the 6 inches behind him that he moved after the shove.
4. There was all of half a second between the shove and the punch. Danzig didn't move an inch before he was hit so saying him saying Danzig was attacking him again is hilarious.
5. A friend "happened" to be filming it. With a camera phone. For no reason whatsoever other than the complete coincidence that you punched a guy while he was recording. Who happened to be 100x more famous than you'll ever be. Especially after releasing a book your own mother wouldn't admit to owning even if you gave her a free copy because the reality of having a son who has made endless ears bleed by telling the story of how he punched Glenn Danzig over and over again is just too much to deal with. Or something like that.
6. Those "witnesses" are the same people who stopped giving a shit about the whole thing about 30 seconds after it happened. Unless you spend the rest of your life reminding them about it, that is. Ignorant fucking moron.


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posted by : Richard Tucker
6/27/2012 6:48:09 PM
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LOL, threw himself to the floor. Right.

Both of these guys are retarded. Danzig needs to admit he made a mistake by shoving the guy, and the NSK guy needs to stop milking this shit. Its been almost a decade, I don't want to read your hate-mail, just let it go.

The Misfits-esque font is kinda funny though.


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posted by : Imisseightiesundergroundmetal
6/27/2012 6:49:06 PM
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The whole thing looks so staged, yet another publicity stunt. I have no idea why. They probably had a beer afterwards.


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
6/27/2012 6:51:34 PM
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I'm hoping for a round 2, a celebrity boxing match or something!!


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COMMENT | wanker
posted by : kliffee
6/27/2012 7:02:05 PM
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danzig is a wanker. he should have stopped after Misfits. he's a clown on stage and a creep to people. this dude handed his head to him and he still can't admit it. i guess i don't blame him. he's embarrased as hell. loud, puffy midget, that he is.


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posted by : dejavu
6/27/2012 7:05:58 PM
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The NSK dudes story is way more believable than the theory that is was a setup to sue him for millions of dollars. huh?? I mean does anyone really believe that??? Danzig pushed him, he hit him just right and knocked that shit out. End of story. I think the book would be a great thing to have laying on the coffee table just for the humor factor alone!


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COMMENT | That's ,
posted by : taoboxer9
6/27/2012 7:30:19 PM
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why I say, hey man nice shot !


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COMMENT | In The End
posted by : RedZombie
6/27/2012 7:42:29 PM
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Danzig got punched the fuck out. That alone is all I need to see. He's Still an Asshole!! Also Is this guy seriously putting out a book about this? He thinks this is not a bad idea?


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posted by : nancyboy
6/27/2012 7:54:16 PM
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He can read?


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COMMENT | Un fuckin believable
posted by : Doug Glanville
6/27/2012 8:08:29 PM
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This is an incredible joke, this proves the dude honestly has nothing else in his life except the Danzig KO. It's like he thinks about this 24/7 or some shit it's crazy. I can understand being proud of yourself for stickin up for what you thought was right, but at some point most folks with dignity will just let the past be the past. But I guess this guy has none, just like every typical hot headed half retarded bruiser who constantly have to reminisce and remind people of why they're so tough. They'll bore you to death with their "I'm the fuckin man, bro" stories. To this day nobody can even name one song by the North Side Kings, even after getting plug after plug anytime this incident is mentioned and I'm almost positive people still won't be able to after the book release. What's next, is this guy gonna write a script and shop it around to movie studios? It's just so damn pathetic, man. Do somethin else with your life, how about trying to get your shitty local dime-a-dozen fake ass new age copy cat "hardcore" band on the map with your music instead of kissing your own ass constantly for something nobody gives two giant shits about anymore.


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posted by : RevengeOfToonces
6/27/2012 8:18:55 PM
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Naturally, Morgan Freeman will be doing the audiotape version.

"Hello. I'm Morgan Freeman. It was a warm July evening in Tuba City, Arizona, I in my black tank top and dark cargo pants, head freshly shaved, taking a load off on the flower motif love seat with an ice cold beer in one hand, a Marlboro in the other, flatulating, digesting the ice cream sandwiches Lucille had laid out for me. Ah, Lucille with her chestnut hair. Her feathery voice as pure as the touch of her hands. I tell you, she could caress the worries of the damned out of the devil himself with the sweetest word. Her method of massage, however... well..."

(Pg. 157)

"... of Mrs. Flemingdale's giant oak tree beyond the Galway thicket. The sweet surrender of summer's love.

Glenn finally called me that night.........."


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posted by : Mike Portnoy's Empty Tissue Box
6/28/2012 1:00:41 AM
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Titty sprinkles.


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COMMENT | Hahahah
posted by : Forbus
6/27/2012 8:40:28 PM
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Hilarious, Toonces


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posted by : RiotAct666
6/27/2012 8:50:46 PM
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Who? never heard of him, or his lame a** band.



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posted by : xxx128
6/27/2012 8:51:14 PM
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For a website that should be covering music foremost you are really a bunch of drama pussies.


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posted by : Efilnikufesin55
6/27/2012 9:03:35 PM
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This should be a comic book instead!!


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COMMENT | What a loser
posted by : Nivek
6/27/2012 9:04:15 PM
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Still milking that hambone you gave Glenn before you bolted? This loser needs to hang it up, or maybe take a swing & bolt at another headliner.


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COMMENT | Ha.
posted by : HammerOfAstraea
6/27/2012 9:22:33 PM
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I still think it is funny and is to laugh. Glenn is definitely the superior artist but mayhap he got a bit too big for his britches. Don't know why a book, but doubt if I'll care anyway when it comes out. Glenn still got knocked the fuck out!


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posted by : gamblor
6/27/2012 9:34:04 PM
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I'd maybe find this interesting if North Side Kings weren't so fucking terrible.


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COMMENT | This guy's a big, fat phony!
posted by : ChrisonGuitar24
6/27/2012 10:12:40 PM
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This dumbass callds his book a "a regular guy's journey in music and learning to shrug off one of the most opinionated events in music history,". By puting out a BOOK! about it. And collects hate mail for the next several years to make it. Yeah, buddy really shrugging it off there. I'm not a fan of Danzig's perosnality, but this guy (Whatever the fuck this douce's name is) needs anger management and a strict diet. Him puting out this book makes me believe Danzig's story that he was being set up for a lawsuit. Douche bag probably wanted to sue him right after he heard Danzig pushed north side kings off the set, then planned the fight. Now look at him, still trying to find a way to make money off an incedent that happened almost 10 YEARS AGO! If he and his band spent that much time on their "music", they'd actually make something that would sound somewhat good.


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COMMENT | The Next Bullshit reality TV star
posted by : ChrisonGuitar24
6/27/2012 10:45:11 PM
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This douche bag from the north side kings is on track to be the Kim Kardashian of metal.


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COMMENT | 'RE: The Next Bullshit reality TV star'
posted by : Mike Portnoy's Empty Tissue Box
6/28/2012 1:03:18 AM
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That's not true. At least we know what this guy's claim to fame is.


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COMMENT | This guy and his band don't even have a Wikipedia page....
posted by : PoopMouthRon
6/27/2012 11:18:38 PM
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How are we supposed to take him seriously?


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COMMENT | so lame
posted by : thedogheadcult
6/28/2012 12:39:32 AM
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This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this site. Megadave and Lars are now exonerated. How the fuck can you write a book about punching someone? Who would want to read the shit? Please, please no one go out and buy this worthless shit. Horrible. Music sucks too.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : vanbasten6247
6/28/2012 3:18:03 AM
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I would rather buy a book with all the hate mail that riotass receive, at least he's more famous and probably the comments way funnier.


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COMMENT | This sounds fucking funny
posted by : HOD
6/28/2012 3:58:23 AM
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If Danzigs fans are anywhere near as pompous as the man himself this should be hilarious.


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COMMENT | Book or no book
posted by : diabolical
6/28/2012 5:01:59 AM
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Danzig had his ass handed to him, he went out cold for a few secs.


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posted by : BrandoC
6/28/2012 5:14:38 AM
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any street cred danzig lost after that KO has been returned to him now that this loser has nothing better in his life to do than to keep talking about this all the time, and now he's writing a book about it?

MOVE THE FUCK ON!!!


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posted by : TheKarlMarxAbortion
6/28/2012 7:37:55 AM
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Wow, a book about punching a guy. "Yo, yo yo! I blassed that fool, word. He stepped up and I jacked dat old foo old-skoo, yo!"
For 400 pages. Can't wait for this.


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posted by : TheKarlMarxAbortion
6/28/2012 7:40:48 AM
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*goes back to reading "Ameritopia" by Mark Levin*


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COMMENT | Hmmmm
posted by : ThunderKiss65
6/28/2012 7:49:41 AM
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I think the guy is still just amazed that he actually knocked someone out. Fat people can't fight! I don't know where this myth started that a really big fat guy is a scary guy that can kick your ass. That dude is 3 times my size and I'll bet you a million that the fight would have ended way differently if he would have hit me. Just saying...


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posted by : sentimental movie
6/28/2012 11:22:31 AM
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fuck that fat guy, GLEN is the man no matter what!


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COMMENT | i don't know...
posted by : JukeBoxHero
6/28/2012 12:53:24 PM
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i think it's pretty funny. you gotta admit, fans can write some really ridiculous stuff. it'd honestly be like printing off one day's worth of blabbermouth comments.


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posted by : jacks total lack of surprise
6/28/2012 3:03:17 PM
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To me looking at the slow motion its not the open handed slap that put Danzig down it was Danzig getting turned from the slap then triping over his own feet then catching an elbow to the face.It looks like that elbow is what put him down and it doesn't look like he threw that on purpose.


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