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AXL ROSE: Why I Am Continung To Use Name GUNS N' ROSES - Dec. 14, 2008
GUNS N' ROSES singer Axl Rose has made a lengthy posting to the MyGNRForum.com web site where he answered a number of fan-submitted questions related to such topics as why he is continuing to use the GUNS name and the circumstances that led to the breakup of the classic GN'R lineup. His posting follows below in its entirety. (Note that the questions Axl is responding to were not included in his original post.)

"OK, then!! The questions aren't here but the answers, as it moves along, I think point pretty clearly to what was asked in pretty much order or close of the seven pages. If I didn't answer, it was either already answered, off topic or I mistakenly overlooked the question. My apologies for the inconvenience. It's not as light-hearted as some of the other sessions but that's the subject matter. Whew!!"

Q: We learnt in the press, that you asked the former members to sign a paper giving up the rights to the GUNS N' ROSES name and threatening not to go on stage unless they co-operated. Bullshit?

Axl: "So let's start here… the whole 'Axl wouldn't go on stage' yada yada… is complete and utter crap. Never happened, all made up, fallacy and fantasy. Not one single solitary thread of truth to it. Had that been the case, I would've have been cremated years ago legally, could've cleaned me out for the name and damages. It's called under duress with extenuating circumstances. In fact, the time that was mentioned, the attorneys were all in Europe with us dealing with Adler [original GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler] depositions.

"Couldn't talk sooner as it could have jeopardized whatever nonsense was going on.

"When GUNS renegotiated our contract with Geffen, I had the bit about the name added in as protection for myself as I had come up with the name and then originally started the band with it. It had more to do with management than the band, as our then-manager was always tryin' to convince someone they should fire me. As I had stopped speaking with him, he sensed his days were numbered and was bending any ear he could along with attempting to sell our renegotiation out for a personal payday from Geffen.

"It was added to the contract and everyone signed off on it. It wasn't hidden in fine print, etc., as you had to initial the section verifying you had acknowledged it.

"Now, at that time I didn't know or think about brand names or corporate value etc. All I knew is that I came in with the name and from day one everyone had agreed to it being mine should we break up and now it was in writing.

"I still didn't grasp any other issues until long after I'd left and formed a new partnership which was only an effort to salvage GUNS, not steal it."

"In my opinion, the reality of the shift and the public embarrassment and ridicule by others (which included a lot of not-so-on-the-level business types he was associating with at the time) for not contesting the rights to the brand name, were more than Slash [former GUNS N' ROSES guitarist] could openly face. Also, we aren't lawyers or formally business educated, so it was just a matter of all of us being naïve and doing what we thought was right at the time. Slash was, in my opinion, being on the up and up in agreeing I had the rights, and I wasn't trying to be some snake in the grass pulling a fast one. The others could've cared less.

"But when the reality of the breakup hit and the strategy to have me crawl back was put into play, Slash had to save face and get business team and public support. Painting me as the one who held a crowd hostage forcing the others to sign over the name worked out pretty well in that regard. I'm the bad guy, and Duff [McKagan, ex-GUNS bassist], the fans and most importantly himself were the victims. Oh, and they had actually made the sacrifice for the crowd, the people, the fans at the show. But again… IT NEVER HAPPENED.

"Media and others ignorantly, wrongly and falsely harped on about it at mine and the fans' expense for years, and Slash has hoped to use all that to continually sue and have some sort of legal nonsense going on behind the scenes in an effort to reverse things. He wouldn't have been able to get the support and action on the part of his various team members over the years to do so if the truth were out there especially when the statute of limitations had run out years ago."

Q: Why did you choose to keep the GUNS N' ROSES name rather than create a new name?

Axl: "Why keep the name? I'm literally the last man standing. Not bragging, not proud. It's been a fucking nightmare but I didn't leave GUNS and I didn't drive others out. With Slash, it's been nothing more than pure strategy and saving face while manipulating the public like he used to me. I earned the right to protect my efforts and to be able to take advantage of our contract I'd worked hard for where Slash's exact words were that he didn't care. I get that some like a different version or lineup the same way some like a specific team line up or a particular year of a specific car but because you and I are getting played I'm supposed to throw the baby out with the bath water?"

Q: What do you think about people that say "Chinese Democracy" should have been a solo album instead of using the name GUNS N' ROSES?

Axl: "I didn't make a solo record. A solo record would be completely different than this and probably much more instrumental. I made a GUNS record with the right people who were the only people who really wanted to help me try, were qualified and capable while enduring the public abuse for years . The songs were chosen by everyone involved. I didn't want to do 'This I Love' in any way shape or form, and Robin [Finck, current GUNS guitarist] and Caram [Costanzo; co-producer] insisted gaining Tommy's [Stinson, bass] and the others' support. There's been a lot of pressure to go with using my name (all external) but that never felt right to me for this band and the parameters in regard to this music have lots more to do with the mindset of GUNS than something else. The instrumental I wrote for 'End of Days' that's more a solo effort, at least presently.

"As far as a new name… this is who I am, not whatever else someone else thinks of. I don't see myself as solely GUNS, but I do see myself as the only one from the past making the effort to take it forward, whether anyone approves or not, and giving beyond what many would or fight for to do so. The name helped the music more than you could ever know, and I'm not talking in regards to studios or budgets, I mean it as in being pushed by something and having to get the music to a place where I can find my peace regardless of what anyone says. And that wasn't fully achieved until the last round of mastering and swapping out a version of a track at the pressing plant that had gotten inadvertently changed at the last minute. Also, the name was what the industry wanted as well and the burden of keeping it was something to endure in order to make the record. After the monies invested by old Geffen (that were decisions made that have worked out for me but I'm on record as having opposed) dropping the name became suicide."

Q: How much has been spent on legal battles over the name/how much do you value the name at?

Axl: "The cost of legal battles has been astronomical but I felt the deal made with Universal was fair for where it is and most things balanced out for both sides."

Q: How do you feel when you read posts that say "this isn't really GUNS N' ROSES?" Surely it isn't their place to say?

Axl: "David Bowie likes Floyd with Barret, many with Waters and those without. And there are those who like all the different lineups. In my opinion, what makes our situation a bit more unique, at least in how it's played out, is the ugliness of what really took place. If I'd done what was said then, I'd say fuck me too. I also realize this is just one issue in something with upteen however many more so conclusions can't be formulated off this little bit alone by most which is more than understandable.

"That said, because someone leaves the shop I started in which I still legally have the rights to the name I started it with… makes up a bunch of nonsense to win public and legal support in an effort to get whatever it is they want at mine and the public's expense… I don't feel any reason whatsoever I should have to throw what I've not only worked for but fought and suffered for away because some hurt, angry, betrayed, misguided and lied to people with a lynch-mob mentality, joined by others who could care less (especially in the media), enjoying the controversy and hate, choose one over the other regardless of what's right because they want what they want. And you can still prefer then as opposed to now and no one's arguing your right to do so.

"In regard to nuGUNS, I get that sometimes it helps to be able to clarify. Personally I call this GUNS and the 'Illusions' or previous lineups 'old GUNS.'"

Q: Are you guys allowed to play any song from the GN'R catalogue? Because in the past I heard that legal matters hinders you to play some of the "Use Your Illusion" stuff.

Axl: "We can play what we want, as far as I'm aware."

Q: I would ask what the catalyst was to originally motivate you to seek ownership of the name? Looking back, do you still feel it was a good course of action to have taken?

Axl: "It wasn't so much that it was a good course or that, if looking back, I could do something differently; it's that, for better or worse, it was the only course, and had I not done this, Slash would have succeeded in destroying me publicly much more than he, others or myself have so far and I would have gone bankrupt."

Q: Where would you be now, had you not obtained the rights to the name? What would you have called the current line-up of GN'R?

Axl: "I don't know where I'd be, but there's clearly no happy ending there and with everything else that had gone on in every other area of my life the devastation isn't something I feel I would have overcome at least to any real degree publicly. Hopefully I would've been able to pick myself up enough to get a job or sing somewhere else but I doubt anything that significant."

Q: Would you ever consider sharing the name with the current band members?

Axl: "The sharing thing is interesting, but even with all this time, the complications of the red tape and trying to get something out fall on my world to sort and not theirs. They are amazingly supportive and do their best to keep me in up spirits and focused which I had less and less of in GUNS way before 'Sweet Child' caught on. If that were to change, then that may be something to look at. I hope for us to grow more together as we continue so who knows.

"If I hadn't secured the rights, I don't know where I'd be and I'd probably call what would then be the current lineup 'THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS!!'

"The name is something I take great pride in as I feel anyone who's been a part of it should, the same as other bands or teams etc. The burden when it is such is a nightmare but not as much or as hopeless as I'd imagine without it could have been."

Q: What is the difference between former members forwarding their careers through their association with you, and a band benefiting from touring/releasing under a name originally associated with a group of musicians who are no longer there?

Axl: "On the what's the difference… I think I get what you're asking… I feel it depends on how and in what ways either the former members are using the association and what the true circumstances regarding why they moved on from both the band and the name that would or could affect the decision to continue on with the name by in this case this lineup and or myself."

Q: Did you use the GN'R name to sell more records??

Axl: "As for selling more records, it'd be nice to be in a position to possibly do so at some point but that's never been my base reasoning. I would think it fits into not feeling I shouldn't be forced to throw away possible opportunities in a hostile attempted takeover. I believe I should fight for GUNS in a patriotic sense or sense of loyalty or honor. Not just my vision or direction for GUNS as those things can evolve and you can make forward moving positive compromises by what others bring to the table but I mean more as in what principles I feel were important to GUNS in regard to an overall commitment to the music."

Q: Obviously the name GUNS N' ROSES means a lot to you historically. Do you think it would have been easier (less criticism from being the only "original" remaining member) or harder (the name obviously carries a lot of weight) to have pursued the "Chinese Democracy" project under a different name.

Axl: "It helped us get here but most of that was with Universal and the positives of that wore off years ago until recently and after the initial run it'll be about the music and us. Then it's about touring and there's not a question the name's helped at most everywhere but not so much the states. With that it comes down to the strength or quality of the performance. Having the name kicks your ass every night as it's not some side project or something you can fuck off in. You don't deliver, you get your ass handed to you. So it makes us work much harder than I feel we would outside of it and it hasn't been too ugly yet."

Q: Did you already have a new lineup or a lineup change in mind at that time?

Axl: "I didn't see lineup changes, etc., back then — I saw it more as a crash and burn, goin' down with the ship. On one hand, I knew the band was over before we started touring 'Illusions' but you have hope… but I saw it more like the Titanic sinking than moving on or surviving. And in reality, I went the distance with each and every one in GUNS to where they felt for whatever reasons they either couldn't or wouldn't give what GUNS required. And I'm not talking change of styles or sounds etc. A lot of people bought that crap and me having gone in other directions seems to many to have verified that. Then you have the mind twisting equally as true horseshit in Slash's book, but I have the rehearsal tapes. There's nothing but Slash-based blues rock and he stopped it to both go solo and try to completely take over GUNS. I read all this 'if Axl would've put words and melodies on it could've…' That was denied and I didn't walk 'till several months after having 3-to-4-hour phone conversations nearly every day with Slash trying to reach a compromise. I was specifically told no lyrics, no melodies, no changes to anything and to sing what I was told or fuck off."

Q: What (except for legal reasons) would make you change the name of the band you're playing in?

Axl: "As to what would possibly make me change the name, [it] would be some form of evolving that I don't feel we've reached yet and not in any way consciously trying to at this time. It's really hard to say. I'd have to feel it was right for me and those involved and whatever we're doing at that time."

Q: With regard to ownership of the name, how will this affect GUNS' induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? The new band can't exactly go and accept the award. Would they have to requalify in 25 years' time for "Chinese"?

Axl: "Never thought about that, with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The whole 'mature enough' bit was cute. Not to offend anyone, but personally I don't have an interest and other than inducting Elton don't quite get what it is exactly and who decides what. It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It's nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance, but in regards to joining others, the price is too high and just not worth it. It's a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be contemplating being inducted now."

Q: Do you think you have to follow some kind of music style cause of your musical past, or you feel free to experiment some kind of innovative stuff or melting few styles wich goes "against" the musical heritage of GN'R?!?!

Axl: "About following particular styles, yes I do feel there are parameters with GUNS as opposed to not being or in GUNS. 'Chinese Democracy' is, in my opinion, an evolution not necessarily how each from the past would but how the music and intent could and did. GUNS did not have specific lifelong criteria to follow and many of the influences on 'Appetite' were abandoned by the others long before me. In fact, Slash hated a good portion of those on 'Appetite' and wasn't all that into the involvement or association but knew it worked at the time and realized it was the cusp of a wave that was growing. It's a trip for me to witness as so many of the people he performs with etc he hated then, them, their bands and their music where the others or I were the fans.

"I like touring with these guys a lot more than the old band. The beginning was fun but it started going bad our first gig opening for THE CULT in Halifax between Slash and I. That's when the 'OK I put up with all Axl's and Izzy's crap, now I'm gonna be the man' trip started with him runnin' right out front on the ego ramp for the whole show. It was pretty funny."

Q: How did the new lineup respond when initially asked to join GUNS N' ROSES? Did they ever suggest using a different name?

Axl: "No one ever talked about or suggested using another name. The guys are really respectful in regard to the old band and I'm not sure if they've said a paragraph apiece in all the years towards or about the old band whether I'm talking about whatever or not. But from being with me for so long they know a lot of it's shit so they get bummed at the endless interviews and nonsense. Personally, I'm so proud of them I wouldn't know how to express it. I can't see me handing something like this as they have with so much class and maturity especially being shit on publicly to such a degree. 'Hey join my band, bring an umbrella!!'

"If I were to leave GUNS, I could consider giving, selling, shelving or opening a GNR Burger chain with the name!! Ha!! Just kidding. I'm not so different than the alumni in that there's generally something going on that makes things suck and when that reaches overflow I want out too but if you didn't when it's ugly I think that'd be less normal.

"If I went solo — which I haven't — I wouldn't call it GUNS."

Q: According to some people, the name should've been changed once there was no Tracii Guns in GUNS N' ROSES. Seriously if it wasnt changed then for that reason, then why should it ever be changed for any other reason?

Axl: "The name does come from mine and Tracii's [Guns, current L.A. GUNS guitarist] as the original inspiration but was something I played with, not Tracii, and GUNS was GUNS before Tracii joined. It was GUNS before I knocked on Izzy's window. Earlier I had gotten Tracii to use the name GUNS (as he had mentioned a girl had called him Mr. Guns sometime) so he'd stop calling his band PERSIAN ROSE. So I guess we have the girl to thank."

Q: Axl, Why do you feel that the others (Slash, Duff) believe that they were entitled to the name since GUNS N' ROSES existed before they were in the band?

Axl: "The others having a sense of entitlement to the name isn't completely off but has more to do with how Slash dealt with things and his particular strategy and I say strategy because that's what it's been. But since I managed to hold out that didn't play out so well for him in regard to the name.

"It's a band name more than a brand name. As Tommy said regarding our struggles to make this happen, 'We're not lettin' what took so much blood and heart get turned to shit and dust.' And I guess you could apply that to current former or whatever."

Q: What were Slash's arguments for keeping GN'R name?

Axl: "Slash never had ANY arguments for keeping the name until long after and again I feel that had a lot to do with seedy biz types and him feeling he had to save face."

Q: Do you regret keeping the name?

Axl: "Keeping the band name alive was very important. Not out of ego and I don't know exactly why in the sense of putting into words, but I think it has something to do with the global effect it has and how GUNS surviving in some way is sometimes inspiring to others around the world and in that there's a sense of obligation.

"I don't regret keeping the name though I wish more were supportive or at least not as aggressively opposed."

Q: Can you detail any of the legal battles, if any, surrounding the name GUNS N' ROSES following the break up of the original band?

Axl: "The details are that my attorney shit when I made the move. He was very against it fearing long litigation but even then no one talked about brand names or individual interests in a brand name. I look back and have no idea why. Not my people, not his people, no one. No one pressured me, everyone was afraid and no one including myself wanted to break up GUNS or the relationship.

"We can 'chat' about the contract and the reasoning another time.

"The battles were during the breakup. Our people and my individual legal basically forced me to go through the motions with everything I had to make things work for over two years in the sense that if they felt I wasn't making every effort 110% and with all the sincerity and all above board I wouldn't have their support which I wanted, couldn't afford to lose or risk losing. Which led to the trial period where Slash played the key bits of 'Fall to Pieces' but once I showed some interest that was over."

Q: Making Duff and Slash sign the name GUNS N' ROSES over to you had very little to do with musical differences/ preferences. Anyone who reads Slash's book carefully can understand the kind of reckless lives they had been leading and that they were too fucked up and on the verge of an O.D. on daily basis to be entitled to make and kind of decision and there was no use in trying to fight against it and forcing them to clean up because you ended up being the bad guy real quick "not allowing them to have a bit of fun." In other words, only drunk/drugged people can put up with drunk/drugged people and the way things were, they were going to ruin it for everbody and now that they are finally sober they feel they were ripped off even though many people warned them their actions would have serious consequences and they chose not to listen at the time.

Axl: "I get the part about reckless but it was more about strategy and underestimating how long I would stick with it."

Q: Axl, you don't need to use that name to be recognized. You're Axl Rose! People know who you are.

Axl: "As far as people knowing me, this is a statement that in light of others decisions that I chose to pursue as GUNS N' ROSES and what some may feel is a different this or that may seem as if the arguments or disagreements are about the band or the style of music such as blues or influences on earlier GUNS has some relevance but, in my opinion, points more to deeper base elements I wanted to put forth for people in general. Such as a more positive intent and instead of as self-destructive, more of healing. There's all kinds of things to help you die or be more negative. I wanted to try and make as powerful a hard rock album as we could while incorporating beauty and an openness to other forms both traditional and more recent without going religious etc. I didn't attempt to make a party record or dance record, both elements consciously in 'Appetite'. I wasn't trying to purposefully appeal to the heartland or middle America in those ways (not that I was trying to avoid them or have an issue). But for example, 'Sweet Child' wasn't in any way trying to write a 'hit' mainstream song it was trying to write the best GUNS N' ROSES LYNYRD SKYNYRD-influenced song we could as tribute and recognition in the tradition of 'Tuesdays Gone With the Wind' or 'Simple Man', etc,, and at a time when nothing could have seemed more unpopular."

Q: You stated in several interviews in the past that you couldn't see yourself playing with other people and still see it as GUNS N' ROSES. What made you change your mind and do you think you would have kept the name if you and the former members broke up on better terms with each other?

Axl: "One man forced me to work with others. One man forced me to work with others to survive. And I can't say what would have happened on different terms. I say yes because it was agreed from day one. You have to realize we were on the street. It wasn't the first band. Whoever thought of the name kept the name unless he gave it up or moved on. Everyone was always having a new version of whatever their band name was. I wouldn't have thought of using L.A. GUNS or any of Slash's band names. We all knew that we could break up the next week. You had to have that stuff somewhat sorted between each other going in. It was a deal that we made. The issue becomes the value or perceived value now and the fans attachment and or acceptance. Really weren't things we consciously considered even during the breakup."

Q: Axl, what in your mind does GUNS N' ROSES represent? Do you feel that it is a vision?

Axl: "I don't exactly know what GUNS N' ROSES is, but I know it's my job in the sense of an obligation and I'm good with that."

Q: Do you feel that if you hadn't have insisted on having full rights to the name would the band still be in its original lineup today?

Axl: "The name and rights have nothing to do with the breakup. That's all a created façade a decoy and a smoke screen. Now had what Slash said actually transpired then I'd say of course but in reality, no."

Q: GUNS 'N ROSES… best name ever with a double meaning to me. What was #2 on the list when choosing the band's name?

Axl: "Going into GUNS, there wasn't a #2. At that time I was going to make it in a band that started as GUNS N' ROSES and could evolve but that was the starting point and it was all the way or bust. I knew what I wanted when I knocked on Izzy's window. I also knew I wanted Slash but we still had differences and Izzy wasn't down with it."

Q: Were you in, any way, legally obligated to carry on with the name GUNS N' ROSES? To keep your (current, at the time) record contract etc.

Axl: "I wasn't legally obligated but we probably would have gotten dropped and I would have been driven into bankruptcy."

Q: GUNS N' ROSES — the name contains symbols of aggression/defense and selfless submission/tribute. Does the name mean anything symbolically to you outside its literal, namesake derivation? Have the name's deeper synonyms, eg. the most dangerous band in the world, had any impact on your decision to keep it, or have you just retained it for its legendary status and ease of identification?

Axl: "I don't think about the dangerous bit or status or identification. I've always thought of the symbolism since thinking of the two words together. And in that I absolutely feel this is a GUNS N' ROSES record."

Q: Do what people (some of the fans, ex-members of the band, etc.) think about the ownership of the band name really matter? I think my question also is, will you please tell us why this is the most important/first question you are approaching? Is it because you think that this is what most riles the fans or this is the most pressing issue?

Axl: "It's an issue that gets brought up a lot, especially in the media at all levels, and it gets really ugly. It's ugly right now with DJs across the country who feel they're sticking up for something that they bought into unaware. So I wanted to start going at it a bit."

Q: Axl, some critics have argued that "Chinese Democracy" would have sold better and had better reviews if you had released it as a solo project. What is your take on this?

Axl: "Most critics have higher opinions of theirs than is merited. I haven't read much from outside sources in the media regarding my world that know much of anything let alone what would be in my best interest other than looking at events in hindsight and playing armchair music mogul. Which most times means nothing and though could seem logical is usually just as far off base as anything else they've said."

Q: Do you think that it is right to continue a band's name despite having little-to-no connection with previous incarnations of the band, both in the music written and with the musicians in the band?

Axl: "The heart and commitment these guys play the material with is much more than the others were prepared to give pursuing their own interests for a very long time. The music changed after Slash and I parted so the direction was where I took GUNS not where I had intended or tried to go previously. It had a lot to do with not finding or knowing a more blues based player that I found inspiring and I was really knocked down and beat up. Slash, Duff and Matt's [Sorum] decisions had as much to do with kicking a guy when he's down or abandoning ship at the time as anything else. Other things were going on with music as well, we were basically dead at Geffen. I liked other things as well so I wanted to explore, be legitimate and survive. I wasn't doing what was written so often about chasing fads etc. Jesus, I wouldn't have agreed for Zakk [Wylde] to come down if any of Slash's or the media's nonsense were real. And that could've worked on some level but like GUNS it would've been up to those two and their relationship. They talk nice but it wasn't pretty… but it was pretty awesome!!"

Q: For further releases will you stick with the name GUNS N' ROSES?

Axl: "No plans not to be GUNS for the future."

Q: If this is a GUNS N' ROSES album, what kind of music would be on an Axl Rose solo album?

Axl: "Solo efforts… Much more experimental and instrumental."

Q: Since you own the name, does it bother you at all when you see or hear things like "Slash of GUNS N' ROSES" and that he's still well recognized as one of the faces of the band?

Axl: "It doesn't bother me unless it's being done at my expense and or to keep him associated as in Guitar Hero. Him being [in] Guitar Hero's fine but not when Activison is using 'Jungle', having Yahoo! use 'Sweet Child' unauthorized, claims no involvement with Slash, his or anyone's image or VR or anyone or anyone's music in either camp in promotion or commercials etc. I wasn't broadsided. I read about it as it moved along but Activision continually denied it right up to the release. That's some lowlife chicanery on all their parts.

"Yes, Slash was in GUNS and on 'Jungle' (and the whole 'I came to him for his riff' is as much crap as him saying he brought 'Locomotive' and 'Coma' in as complete songs) and he has rights to perform it but not to be represented in this context in association with GUNS. And since they weren't granted the license, it'll take some sorting."

Q: Does Geffen or Universal have any rights over the name, or is it soley yours? For example they released the "Greatest Hits" under the GN'R name, so I was a bit confused over exactly how much the name belongs to the label, if at all.

Axl: "Universal has GUNS under contract but I own the name."

Q: How do/did you feel about VELVET REVOLVER playing GN'R songs live? Did you worry about them mucking up the songs or decreasing their value by playing them? Are you glad the former members still play those songs so regularly on stage? I seen SLASH'S SNAKEPIT live in July 1995 and they started playing instrumental "Paradise City" for the first two minutes before Slash stopped it by jokingly saying something like, "We better stop so we don't get sued!"

Axl: "I don't have problems with whoever doing the songs but film or video gets into sync rights and I don't have an interest in anyone new, old or whatever trying to sell themselves as GN'R under another name that way."

Q: Do you think they keep suing you over it time and again because as well as Steven they think you and the name GN'R hold the keys to their happiness or is it just about money?

Axl: "It's my understanding the lawyers were scammed like the everyone else so for them to continually try and find a way to reverse things is normal and would seem appropriate but again it NEVER happened.

"Thanks everyone. Hope to get back soon. I'll take a look at that list. As long as we don't get to personal or offensive, I'm good with things. Thanks for all the questions, my apologies for not answering specifically to each, this was just a bit easier for this subject. Hope no one took wanting to stay on topic to personal. Thanks again to everyone who participated. Thanks to everyone for the great comments and appreciation."
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posted by : HeavyFuckingMetal
12/14/2008 7:59:27 PM
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Long post im drunk fuck u Axl


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posted by : Shawnathan Mory
12/14/2008 8:02:23 PM
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Of course he's going to keep using the name.

He's a joke without it. Look at Velvet revolver, a joke from day 1.


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12/14/2008 8:03:23 PM
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Long fucking post.


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COMMENT | ...
posted by : dutchinggood
12/14/2008 8:05:11 PM
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Really bad grammar + he writes like a moron. At least we know he's a dumb fuck.


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posted by : 5142
12/14/2008 8:10:31 PM
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He took the time to type all that but he couldn't use the copy & paste function for the questions ?

WTF ?!?!?1


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posted by : RockettQueeen
12/14/2008 8:11:35 PM
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bullshit. total bullshit.


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COMMENT | Axl
posted by : RiotAct666
12/14/2008 8:12:05 PM
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He owns the whole name Guns N' Roses. He made Slash , Duff etc. all sign over their parts of the name to him before they all left in the mid 90's. So therefore Axl can use the name "Guns N' Roses" it's his band and call and that is a fact and how it goes. Also great post by him too. gotta agree with everything said.


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COMMENT | Wow
posted by : andwehopeyouchoke666
12/14/2008 8:12:17 PM
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so, if this was from someone who's recently released an album that was worth what it cost to purchase, maybe I would've gotten halfway through it. Sorry Axl, your album wasn't worth the time, and neither are your bullshit answers.


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posted by : chillpenguin666
12/14/2008 8:13:15 PM
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good god, that was long


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COMMENT | wow, that's one of the longest, most rambling posts i've seen on here
posted by : Dealer 'o Deth
12/14/2008 8:15:17 PM
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and there is no way i'm going to waste my time on it, since there isn't even a buckethead mention (i did a search) i'll just come down here and bitch. bitch, bitch, bitch, there, i feel better.


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posted by : DESERTPLAINS
12/14/2008 8:15:48 PM
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Axl really has responded. For many years some wondered about his side of the story. He didn't sell these answers in a book or a publicized magazine interview. He gave them to us for free. Keep bitching though. I do understand that many here cannot actually read all of that.


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COMMENT | Earth to Axl....Dude, it's over.....
posted by : pen15
12/14/2008 8:17:37 PM
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the time for Axl was twenty years ago. he's completely irrelevant now, and so completely not metal that i'm insulted by the fact that i'm reading this on a "metal" new site, but whatever.. fuck off Axl, better yet, jump in a pit and get what you've got coming.


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posted by : Maiden1979
12/14/2008 8:26:19 PM
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And God spoke...


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posted by : Fani Dilth
12/14/2008 8:30:27 PM
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It's really sad when you think about what could have been.


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COMMENT | godder than god
posted by : T-Boner.com
12/14/2008 8:33:46 PM
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period


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posted by : cliffburt
12/14/2008 8:38:22 PM
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Axl, you still didn't explain why chidem sucks.


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COMMENT | Axhole
posted by : DeadSkin Mask
12/14/2008 8:41:37 PM
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What a moron.

Your new album sucks, and you are batshit crazy.

Stop surounding yourself with Yes-Men, and seek professional help.


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COMMENT | WOW some of you don't understand do you?????????
posted by : SkyLoLow
12/14/2008 8:42:27 PM
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He was answering questions that where posted. So it not really rambling. If the editor put in the questions it would make much more sense to you that don't get it.

But overall that was a lot to take in. If Axl wants to talk so much get out and do some PR it isn't going to hurt.



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COMMENT | Axl's off his medication.
posted by : misterspike
12/14/2008 8:44:37 PM
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That simple.


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COMMENT | All that writing...
posted by : JimmyDiablo
12/14/2008 8:44:41 PM
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And no one cares.


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COMMENT | Axl is a saaad panda
posted by : Blackenistheyend
12/14/2008 8:47:03 PM
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What kind of drugs are Axl and Dave Mustaine taking that cause long winded, unintelligible postings?


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COMMENT | Axl
posted by : Ol' Fart
12/14/2008 8:56:44 PM
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When U Speak Blabbermouth Listens!!!! LOL


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COMMENT | If this is true
posted by : toadload
12/14/2008 8:56:51 PM
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it sure explains a lot. Duff being the poor guy that got f...ed and Slash wanting to take over. Makes a lot of sense especially with Izzy being not happy with that and leaving. Remember Izzy wrote much of Appetite and the one who appears to be the "leader" of a band is always the one the others often make out to be the "bad" guy.


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posted by : PikeChopsaw
12/14/2008 9:04:13 PM
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There is no way in hell I'm going to read all that. I have better things to do.

Its just a fucking band ...Its not like its a national crisis or anything..


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posted by : EL PENDEJO
12/14/2008 9:05:07 PM
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I'm not reading all that. I'll just wait for the movie.


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COMMENT | AXL = GOD
posted by : InsideMan
12/14/2008 9:09:20 PM
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CHI DEM = MASTERPIECE


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COMMENT | W.A.R. declares war!
posted by : pigchop
12/14/2008 9:09:40 PM
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That's right - war has been declared. It is going to be very interesting - reading the retorts of Slash and Duff, and possibly Sorum.

So everyone is full of shit except Axl. Hmmm. If anything concrete has come of this so far, it is this: there will be no reunion.

"shit and dust"

The guy is doing a swell job of stirring up both.

"I didn't make a solo record. A solo record would be completely different than this and probably much more instrumental. I made a GUNS record."

In name only. Face it Axl - yes...Chinese Democracy is an Axl Rose Solo record - it will remain so no matter what spin you put on it.













Next.....SLASH?









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COMMENT | I'm surprised.......
posted by : vametal
12/14/2008 9:15:07 PM
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There's room for any other news after that post!


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posted by : bosomblob
12/14/2008 9:20:33 PM
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I read about 1/4 of this, then I realized I could read the entire Atlas Shrugged in the time it would take me to read the rest of it.


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COMMENT | hmmmm
posted by : eccentric_hippie
12/14/2008 9:24:42 PM
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axl has spoken directly to fans , passe or not , there was absolutely no media interferrance on misconstruing events , slash on the other hand , judging by the autobiography , seems very humle and credibility is deserved when it comes to his version of what exactly happened , so yet again , with axl's and slash's sides of the story with ultimately be blown out of proportions yet again by the media in a he said-she said debacle . irrespective of what happened , axl seems to have made it very clear that any sort of reconciliation between them will not happen , nor will he be making any form of appearance at the 2012 hall of fame induction . its something that the fans will either have to swallow and accept it and embrace the "nuGUNS" or jump on the VR band wagon . that being said , has all this legal litigation halted ? can axl now develop new material on a lesser timescale ? i wouldnt be taking into consideration anything sebastion bach claims unless it was from the label or from axl himself - regarding the 2 supposed follow up albums in 2010 and 2012 . it is very clear that both slash and axl have divided and followed their own musical ambitions , but one would be a little curious as to why ( duff and slash ) applaud the new material that guns n roses have released but , to any who hope that something may happen , them (slash and duff ) doin so may seem as relevant as a blink and a nod to a blind man . axl claims that his rights to the guns name was a case of "first in best dressed" scenario , and has legal rights to release material under the name , i wish slash and the boys the best of luck with their label and recruiting a new singer for VR , but also hope axl and the boys will be making themselves heard in the coming future as well . . .


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COMMENT | Shit N' Dust
posted by : pigchop
12/14/2008 9:32:12 PM
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It won't get much better than this!

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1227/axlshitndustaz8.jpg





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posted by : Header
12/14/2008 9:46:59 PM
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Who cares? Really.


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posted by : jorgen
12/14/2008 9:49:55 PM
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I love all the people who won't take the time to read the whole thing. While it's not well written, I have to say: seriously??

You can't read "all that"?

Seriously??

Sad.


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posted by : drago494
12/14/2008 9:56:52 PM
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I'm convinced this place is inhabited by morons.

I'm old enough that I know why GNR imploded, and quite frankly, the majority of the problem was with Slash. Love his guitar work, but he's a fucking douche. Axl's a douche too.

At the time, they were playing "Who's The Bigger Douche?" and Axl won.

Then came Velvet Revolver, a band with a bunch of douches. Which made Weiland leave the band. So now VR is fucked. I bet it's Slash's fault again.

Stay tuned kids. I bet Weiland's gonna have a nice long post about how Slash fucked him over too.


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:01:28 PM
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NOW WE HAVE THE SIDE OF HIS STORY. SLASH WAS A LIAR!!!

AXL GAVE US DETAILS. I BELIEVE AXL.


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:03:27 PM
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Now, we know why Axl uses the name ¨guns n' roses¨.

Slash didn't explain that.


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posted by : m2fu
12/14/2008 10:03:31 PM
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He should have put all that in a book. He made himself really vunerable to a serious backlash from...lets see everyone........

I always knew slash was a fucking snake.


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:06:21 PM
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NOW, SLASH IS THE ¨BAD¨ GUY


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:07:22 PM
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SLASH LIAR!!


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COMMENT | HE ALSO KEPT THE NAME BECAUSE
posted by : jvm138
12/14/2008 10:09:04 PM
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of the huge deal they signed with DR. PEPPER, go check out the official G'N R commercial for Dr. Pepper here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvY8fmv5bK8


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:10:00 PM
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Yeah, Axl didn't sell this information. He prefered to say his truth directly to the fans.

Thanks Axl!!! Axl, you are the best singer!


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posted by : blackendistheend
12/14/2008 10:10:40 PM
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That was really long. I just had a couple questions..

What is he talking about with Zakk Wylde? I remember hearing years ago about him being asked to be in the band, but I have no idea what prompted Axl to bring him up.

Axl also mentioned "fall to pieces" being played for him. Is he implying that the guys from VR were trying to get him to be on that song? I dont understand...


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posted by : coryp69420
12/14/2008 10:11:51 PM
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nobody knows exactly what happened during the breakup, except for the people involved in it. just because you have read what slash might have said about it or what duff has said or what axl has said, doesn't make you an expert.

i tend to believe slash's story a little more than axl's. now, i'm not saying slash is a saint in all this either, but i do think axl had much more to do with it. people will believe what they want to believe.


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:12:08 PM
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Slash = liar


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COMMENT | CD Rocks! Axl Rocks!
posted by : DesertMofo
12/14/2008 10:13:55 PM
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Thanks Axl for taking the time to answer the fans directly. More musicians should do the same.


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COMMENT | everything is someone else's fault
posted by : dine
12/14/2008 10:14:11 PM
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I love these long, vague rants about how everything is someone else's fault. Now Axl wants us to believe that a decade and a half delay is SLASH's fault? You have to have severe mental retardation to believe that. Knowing Slash, he's just going to say "It's good to hear Axl making music again" and leave it at that. He knows that Axl is batshit, I know that Axl is batshit, and the fanboys know that they wish they could suck Axl off. Simple as that.

As for the name, Axl and his fanboys still don't get it: "CAN legally use a name because I own it" and "SHOULD use the name when only 20% of the original lineup is left" are totally different concepts. I can even understand Axls statement "its not a solo album." Fine, its a new band, so come up with a new name already. But, again we get all of these vague excuses about record company pressure, yadda, yadda, yadda. Axl, are you really such a PUSS that you were forced into using the GNR name? Is that the latest story you want the world to believe?


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COMMENT | THANKS
posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:16:06 PM
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YEAH, THANKS AXL!

YOU TALKED TO US (THE FANS). NOW, MANY THINGS ARE CLARIFIED.


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COMMENT | well that was a long read
posted by : josh1982fla
12/14/2008 10:16:37 PM
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and yet nothing that was said was interesting


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:17:48 PM
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SLASH IS A LIAR!!!!


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COMMENT | fanboys are TOTAL sheep
posted by : dine
12/14/2008 10:18:59 PM
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Axl comes out and blames everything on Slash, and then you have the fanboys getting hysterical, blaming everything on Slash. Do you people have minds? I remember when Buckethead left and Axl was calling him "inconsistent and erratic" (lol!) and blaming him for the delays. All of the fanboys who had been talking about how much better Buckethead was than Slash were SUDDENLY calling him "fuckethead" and blaming him for the record's delay. I swear to god, if Axl made some long rant tomorrow about how Martians stole the master tapes of Chi-Dem and made him go to Mars to get them back, you'd have fanboys screaming "nuke Mars."


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:19:25 PM
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Slash said a lot of stupid things.


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:20:18 PM
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lol. Slash wasn't a saint... LOL


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COMMENT | Falopa
posted by : dine
12/14/2008 10:20:37 PM
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Calm down dude. Yer mom is going to be home soon, so you better turn down Chi-Dem and stop jacking off to your Axl poster and start your homework.


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COMMENT | fuck you, SLASH!!!!
posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:20:56 PM
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fuck you, SLASH!!!!


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:22:38 PM
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You make me laugh ¨Dine¨. LOL


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:24:08 PM
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THANK YOU, AXL FOR YOUR TIME. :)


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COMMENT | I'm serious man
posted by : dine
12/14/2008 10:24:23 PM
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You know how mad she gets.


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COMMENT | Love him or hate him
posted by : ICON666
12/14/2008 10:24:25 PM
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(which I can't see how unless you personally know the guy) he has put hours into answering fans questions the past few days. Lots of props to Axl! Whether his answers are true, false, clouded truth or somewhere in between, it's very commendable that he comes off like an average Joe and is getting his version of how things went down off his chest to all of us.


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:26:15 PM
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lol, you are funny, Dine, lol. I like you.


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posted by : blackendistheend
12/14/2008 10:26:34 PM
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Where are the questions to these answers? It just seems like a bunch of jumbled madness without them..


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COMMENT | Dine
posted by : ICON666
12/14/2008 10:28:50 PM
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Seriously, with the amount of money spent on this record, do you think a record company would not try to force Axl to use the G N' R name?


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COMMENT | EN MYGNFORUM.COM
posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:30:05 PM
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AT MYGNRFORUM.COM YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. AXL IS ¨DEXTER¨.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?s=a657a384d22aeeb6b76baa99d1fc5757&showtopic=133276


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COMMENT | I'll say it again:
posted by : dine
12/14/2008 10:30:39 PM
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Axl has a list of enemies as long as Nixon did, and he is always shifting blame. So take this all with a BIG grain of salt. Read interviews with him in different years and he'll blame different people. Right now it's Slash, next time it will be Duff or Buckethead or Merck or David Geffen or the CEO of Doctor Pepper or Bush or Obama or Saddam Hussein or the little green men or the FBI or Erin Everly or Stephanie Seymour. It's tough being Axl Rose. He's the most persecuted man in the world.


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posted by : Falopa
12/14/2008 10:33:01 PM
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Slash is a liar!!!!


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COMMENT | ICON666
posted by : dine
12/14/2008 10:34:06 PM
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Fair question, but I think that when Duff (the last original member besides Axl) left the band, the writing shoulda been on the wall. If Axl had declared that he was starting a new band then, then no-one would have expected the band to be called GNR. It's because he himself chose to keep using the name that the pressure is there. He created the situation himself, and now he is trying to shift the blame again.


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COMMENT | OK
posted by : ThayerIsGod
12/14/2008 10:34:43 PM
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Wow, it's like... it's like he cares. Hmmm...

I still think he's a douche, but maybe -- just maybe -- he's a little less douchey. Anybody that takes the time to answer all these fan questions when, let's face it, he doesn't have to -- it's pretty cool. I just hope he decides to remain in touch with the fans this way.


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12/14/2008 10:34:52 PM
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Some people can't face the truth about Slash....


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COMMENT | "Slash is a liar"
posted by : dine
12/14/2008 10:37:20 PM
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I'm in no position to know if Slash is a liar or not, and frankly I dont care, tho he's always seemed to be a pretty straightfoward kind of guy to me. But, I will say this: Axl is so batshit crazy that he probably believes 100% what he's saying right now, but that doesn't mean it's actually true. Trust me, I worked in a mental hospital in New Mexico one time, and crazy people like to blame other people for their problems--one day they'll tell you it's their mom and go on about that for the whole day, and the next week they'll tell you its the FBI.


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COMMENT | Wow!
posted by : silent0p
12/14/2008 10:55:19 PM
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To all the naive people claiming that Slash is a liar need to shut the hell up and do whatever dine tells you to do, cuz he does have a point with the whole homework thing. I have a great idea, drop Axl, drop his new album drop VR and the whole Guns n Roses crap cuz it's never going to work. What needs to happen is, the rest of GnR Slash, Duff, Matt AND Izzy too need to hook up with Sebastian Bach! He has the range and the talent, he is a great singer and they would make an awesome band. Thats my two cents, GnR are done as far as I am concerned. We need something NEW!


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COMMENT | Axl
posted by : Ol' Fart
12/14/2008 10:56:50 PM
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Why Don't U Come On A Real Site Like This One & Face The Gauntlet? We Will B Telling U Real Questions Not Like The Fangirl Questions These T-Boner Wanna Bees. BTW T-Boner Which Idiot Question Was Yours? & 4 My Earlier Post "When RiotAct Talks Blabbermouth Listens"!!!! LMAO


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posted by : \m/ Metal Jason \m/
12/14/2008 10:57:43 PM
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I just took a dump


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posted by : \m/ Metal Jason \m/
12/14/2008 10:58:40 PM
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RIOTACT666 SAYS: COOL. CHI-DEM IS A GREAT ALBUM. CAN'T WAIT FOR THE TOUR.


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12/14/2008 11:02:08 PM
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To help - there were seven pages of questions relating to this topic on that message board. That is what Axl is answering here. He did not copy and paste the questions, he just went in order pretty much.

Zakk Wylde played with GNR in 1995 or so, for a day or couple of days. He and Slash were the two guitarists. It did not work obviously.

And I guess Slash had VR songs years ago; I don't know why else he played Falling to pieces for Axl.


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COMMENT | T-Boner
posted by : Dogface
12/14/2008 11:20:47 PM
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I cant remember how many times ive read "Scot Weiland - Godder than God" from you and now youve changed to Axl????

Hypocryte.

Anyway forget about the original GnR Reunion now kiddies, its all over.


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posted by : aaron.
12/14/2008 11:43:55 PM
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You should keep your comments to yourselves, illiterate fucks. One dude even bitching about Axl's grammer? Did you even read it? Because as someone who has actaully read a book, I can assure you Axl's grammar is fine. Plus, I don't think he owes any of you a finished draft. Fucking morons...


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COMMENT | Axl is the most persecuted man in the world
posted by : dine
12/15/2008 12:09:14 AM
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You gotta pity him, listening to Chi-Dem. About 2/3 of the lyrics, if not more, seem to all be about how all of these nameless people are persecuting him and making life so HARD for him.

OK, so now Slash is the bad guy of the moment. Who's next, Axl? Cry us all a river so we can piss in it.


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COMMENT | Figures
posted by : wmyers4u
12/15/2008 12:13:49 AM
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Do you really think someone can sum up 15 years in a one line response?????????????????????????

People keep asking and when you get a response.....you cry because you cannot read or comprehend. If you don't really want a response..... why do you keep coming here and posting.

There are two sides to every story, you do not have to believe anyone. But you shouldn't cry to message boards.

**enlightening parts
.......I always assumed that "GUNS" was a play off of Tracii

.......I still like Slash and hope in time everyone finds their healing place

.......I hope this doesn't stir up a brand new can of worms.

........Everyone needs to chill and hopefully we will actually get those Dr Depper coupons in the mail soon.


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COMMENT | What is more likely?
posted by : thesloth
12/15/2008 12:15:41 AM
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At the time as Axl states he took the name because things were already heading south and all of them or at least Slash and the rest at the time did not understand what it meant by allowing Axl to take them name.

They figure it out after some lawyers business folks tell them what they did and then tried to sue Axl to get the name back. The reason this has not come out before is because the litigation was still going on and Axl was still trying to put out a record.

To me it makes more sense that a bunch of young men who made shitloads of money were high all the fucking time but did not understand the power of the "Guns n Roses" name ment at the time they gave it to Axl.


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posted by : paulealex
12/15/2008 12:15:47 AM
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wow... that's a ten minutes I'll never get back...

btw. chinese democracy sucked... to think he spent over a decade on it. If he would have spent a year or two it would have been fine, great record. But how many years again? Should have been a masterpiece.


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posted by : Heliotropic Rose
12/15/2008 12:20:25 AM
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Should've changed the name to "Guns N Lawsuits."


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COMMENT | you people aren't paying attention
posted by : dine
12/15/2008 12:21:07 AM
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Axl starts this whole long-winded whine-fest by saying, and I quote

"the whole 'Axl wouldn't go on stage' yada yada… is complete and utter crap. Never happened, all made up, fallacy and fantasy. Not one single solitary thread of truth to it."

Now, obviously, he is completely, fully and proveably full of shit here. I'm not saying he is LYING--he probably actually believes it. He's batshit, and he's got his own fantasy version of history.

Now, I've heard him blame all kinds of people about why Chi-Dem was taking so long over the years, and his latest whipping boy happens to be Slash. That's how Axl remembers things today. Tomorrow, who the fuck knows?


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posted by : Saul Hudson
12/15/2008 12:27:01 AM
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He is nucking futs!

At least we finally got his version of the breakup and why he's using the name.

Among other things, I think the thing that he's not grasping is that just because he came up with and owns the name GNR, it doesn't make it acceptable to change the whole band and market it under the same name.


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COMMENT | Falopa
posted by : DeadSkin Mask
12/15/2008 12:44:15 AM
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Spamming is frowned upon around here.


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COMMENT | EXACTLY !
posted by : dine
12/15/2008 12:53:47 AM
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"Among other things, I think the thing that he's not grasping is that just because he came up with and owns the name GNR, it doesn't make it acceptable to change the whole band and market it under the same name."

Yeah, I mean, the Kinks old manager came up with their name. If he also legally owned the name, would that mean that he could get a bunch of hacks together and tour as the Kinks and it would be right??? Keith Moon is often credited with coming up with the name Led Zeppelin. Now, lets say that Moon was still alive and he wanted to make some bucks and he got some hacks together and made a new version of Led Zeppelin--with Axl logic, you could say "He came up with the name. He has every right to use it!" What kinda logic is that???

Guns and Roses, THE BAND, was created by 5 people: Dizzy, Axl, Slash, Duff and Stephen. Whoever came up with the NAME is irrelevant. I can accept any 3 of those 5 people playing as GNR, MAYBE 2 of 5. One of 5? That's just false advertising.


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COMMENT | "The truth is the truth hurts."
posted by : Illusionss
12/15/2008 1:04:09 AM
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Axl finally states his side of the story and it is an automatic "You're a Liar!" response by you people that don't know what real music is. You lamers were probably in highschool and not even in the band. So how do you guys know what really went on in the band???? Did you read it in the Weekly World News? lol Oh yeah I have a real life alien in my basement. I bet you anything that you 100% believe me too! Since you are all gullible and all. It is logically to say that both Axl and Slash are at fault like Axl says. GNR not metal/rock? lolol I bet you think Michael Jackson is the king of Metal. Chinese Democracy sucks because it took so long to release? So how could an album be good and suck at the same time? "It would be a masterpiece ten years ago but now it is not." hahahahaha a little contradicting huh... I'm sorry to see that you are all contributing to the death of rock n roll and metal itself. Support rock groups even if you think they made a bad album because you know there will be future kick ass albums either from them or people THEY influenced.


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COMMENT | OFFICIAL!
posted by : BORI'S DAD
12/15/2008 1:09:10 AM
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Well Kids, now you see what happens when you don't take your medication.


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COMMENT | Illusionss
posted by : dine
12/15/2008 1:16:51 AM
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Get a grip, dude. I first saw GNR in 1987, and surprise surprise, I noticed that they were a real freakin' band for a change, and that they had a gritty sound that was real welcome among all of the pussy-ass pop metal of the time. Now, there is ONE original member left, and they are doing limp-wristed power ballads like "This I Love" that makes the bands that GNR originally replaced sound hard in comparison. As a fan, I reserve the right to be pissed off.


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COMMENT | correction
posted by : BORI'S DAD
12/15/2008 1:17:31 AM
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Dine, I love ya man and you are one funny mofo but it was Izzy not Dizzy as one of the original five. Just pointing out. Cheers.


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COMMENT | dine
posted by : james osterberg
12/15/2008 1:29:43 AM
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I agree with much of what you're saying. But you're asserting that Axl said in the post that he never went on stage late. He's actually referring to the whole story of him extorting the name from the band by refusing to go onstage unless they signed it over to him--he's not saying that he never went on stage late.

But I agree that he seems to have one hell of a persecution complex. Every knock against him is answered by projecting some sort of hazily phrased blame on someone else. If he doesn't blame someone else explicitly, he tends to resort to "I'd like to talk about this, but I'm still legally entangled" etc,etc.

But I sure do hope Axl keeps this up, because unlike many others here, I find Axl's newfound verbosity absolutely fascinating. Just when you thought the whole Chi-Dem soap opera was over, you get a whole new chapter! Axl unplugged! And quite possibly unhinged. Either way, I hope he keeps it coming.


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COMMENT | didn't anyone learn from Dimebag's slaying?
posted by : BOTTLESLAP
12/15/2008 1:30:00 AM
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if i was Slash, i'd be srsly worried about fucks like this Falopa character.


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COMMENT | Bori's Dad
posted by : dine
12/15/2008 1:31:05 AM
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My bad! Its a particularly stupid mistake 'cuz I think that Izzy really may have been the best songwriter in the band.


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posted by : Philly Guns
12/15/2008 1:34:52 AM
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he def gave more insight into these gnr topics unlike many of the other ex members.

Its still funny that people still do not realize izzy and slash never got along, its like they don't wanna believe it, or they just hate axl that much they just think its only axl.

its good to have now both sides of the gnr story, I don't think we will ever know the truth, but there def a lot to blame on both sides, that axl and slash won't admit, but whether they like it or not they both are at fault for the breakup.

and I highly doubt alot of the blabberheads here will understand half of what axl said. They will prob read the first sentence and go....fuck..........um.........axl sucks....yea!!!


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COMMENT | and also
posted by : james osterberg
12/15/2008 1:39:40 AM
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If Axl would have said this stuff in some high profile interviews--probably goading Slash, Duff, and Matt into responding--Chi-Dem would have sold at least twice as much in the first week. It seems like he's figured out his mistake and is trying to stir some shit to get some sales. But going on fansites to do this, while it's kind of admirable in a way, is just preaching to the converted. Maybe libel laws don't apply to internet postings the way they do to magazine articles. But if these interviews came out a week before Chi-Dem's release, they would have stirred up plenty of media attention, and boosted his sales. Better late then never, I guess


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COMMENT | i blame...
posted by : BOTTLESLAP
12/15/2008 1:42:57 AM
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Matt Sorum.

never liked that fuck.



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posted by : Philly Guns
12/15/2008 1:44:41 AM
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^ apparently scott weiland didnt either lol


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COMMENT | Well...
posted by : priestfan88
12/15/2008 2:01:30 AM
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all I got from reading this was that he doesn't particularly like Slash anymore. Still hasn't gotten over that shit apparently, someone needs to tell him that it's not the 90's anymore dude.


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posted by : dine
12/15/2008 2:02:02 AM
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Unfortunately, it seems like GNR was doomed from the start, and they probably should of broken up after the Use Your Illusion albums. Izzy's leaving was the nail in the coffin. It was an awesome combination of musicians, but they couldn't work together.

Probably the best thing that could have happened is this: if Axl had quit the band after UYI I and II, then Izzy might have stayed (he left cuz he couldn't stand working with Axl). I think that with Izzy's songwriting and if they could of found a singer with a good voice and stage presence but minus Axl's craziness and prima-donna tendencies, then they could have continued. Sure, it would of been a different GNR, but with three original members, it could have been worthy of the name.

The really sad thing is that Izzy got so sick of working with prima-donna lead singers is that now he wont be in any band with a lead singer. You all might remember that he was originally involved in VR before they got Scott Weiland in there, and he wanted the band to have him and Duff do the lead vox instead of finding a singer. Personally, I think they should have done that--Izzy's songwriting would have made up for the lack of a lead vocalist.

I really think that GNR is dead as a doornail now!


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COMMENT | Izzy played with GnR in 2006
posted by : thesloth
12/15/2008 2:11:11 AM
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Izzy played with GnR in 2006 over in the UK and Europe for a few gigs. He has stated he left GnR because everyone was killing themselves on drugs and he was clean.

Izzy also has publically stated that he is not a fan of touring so would not rejoin GnR but was happy and had lots of fun playing with GnR in 2006.

Really it comes down to comparing VR and GnR 2008. In the end noone can argue that GnR 2008 put out a better album then VR ever did.

Izzy was defently one of the masterminds and the main driving force behind AFD.

Again Axl has stated the reason he has not spoken publicly is for legal reasons.

If Slash and Duff were the driving force behind GnR and so important then VR should have had a much better sound to it.


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COMMENT | Hmm
posted by : looksthatkill
12/15/2008 2:23:48 AM
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Can't wait for the book, and the new album is amazing no matter what some of you supposed fans say!


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posted by : dine
12/15/2008 2:24:31 AM
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"Really it comes down to comparing VR and GnR 2008. In the end noone can argue that GnR 2008 put out a better album then VR ever did."

Opinions are like assholes, you know? IMHO, VR's albums are moderately good. Chi-Dem, while more interesting and ambitious, mostly sucks ASS.

And, yeah, Izzy guested on a few of Axl's gigs. So what? All that shows is that he is the same decent, openminded guy he's always been. His comments about not wanting to tour are just him being polite. He has toured for his own music, and he was playing and writing music with Slash and Duff for quite a while and was ready to start a band with them, but dropped out when they decided that they needed a lead singer.

Why? Because he was tired of working with lead singers, as he had had a VERY bad experience working with one of the pissiest PMS prone lead singers in the business, aka William Bailey. That doesnt mean he cant get on stage and jam with Axl, but it does mean that he isnt going to be a full-time member of any band with Axl in it.

Simply put: why did the original GNR break up? AXL ROSE. Sure, Stephen would of been kicked out anyway, he really was a hopeless drug addict, but the other three could have continued if not for Axl's bi-polar disorder and severe PMS.


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COMMENT | !!!
posted by : Doros78
12/15/2008 2:30:27 AM
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Good interview and he's obviously has more brains then most of the people here. he owns the name and can do whataver he wants with it, get over it. great album!!!


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COMMENT | Yes he can
posted by : dine
12/15/2008 2:48:22 AM
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Yes he CAN do anything he wants to with it.

That doesn't mean he SHOULD.



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COMMENT | looksthatkill
posted by : DeadSkin Mask
12/15/2008 2:54:25 AM
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At the speed Axl works, the book should be out by 2042


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posted by : Von Lee
12/15/2008 3:28:38 AM
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a long story and a lot of reply


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COMMENT | drago494 - I was there maaaaan I know the score...
posted by : larzyboy
12/15/2008 4:01:44 AM
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...Ummm mate you may be old enough but that doesnt mean you're in possesion of the facts. Weiland was fired because he was a liability. Anyone who saw VR at Download two years ago can testify to that. He rambled in between songs, forgot words and made an absolute tit of himself. Why in gods name do you think he hit rehab (again) after he split from VR? Explain that oh mighty old one.

Oh and on the subject of Axl. I saw GNR at Download a few years ago and he kept disappearing off stage sulking about how the stage was wet. Thing is it had been wet all day and no other band even uttered a word!? Plus his arrogant session bassist threw his bass at the crowd becuz they wouldnt respect him. Way to go... Look if Slash was really a tit then surely Duff and Matt would not give him the time of day. I think you only have to look at the sheer amount of people that have worked on the Chinese Democracy album to work out who is the ego maniac.

Considering the time it took and the money spent Chinese Democracy is really not that great. Its not totally turd but its just not that great. Bit like VR's second album. Apart (and minus Izzy) These guys just aren't bloody amazing. Together (with Izzy) they kick bottom.

And finally my apologies this is a long post. Hope you can stay awake long enough... lots of love Blabbermouth


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COMMENT | Hmmm...
posted by : El Satanico Dr. Cadillac
12/15/2008 5:00:45 AM
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...Chi-Dem takes 15 years to complete, then meets an underwhelming commercial and critical reaction. Whose fault could THAT possibly be? SLASH'S fault, eh? Thank you so much for clearing that up for us, Axl!




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COMMENT | People will only care if
posted by : manderm
12/15/2008 5:09:55 AM
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Look Axl People Will only care if u get the original guys back together chinese democracy is great but it aint the same and sales show that look after 15 years u gotta start fixin things specially as u spend years with the guys like izzy more than 10 years an he played a show with u in 2006 make it happen let us have real gnr back


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posted by : Falopa
12/15/2008 6:09:10 AM
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NOW, WE KNOW WHY AXL USES GUNS N ROSES NAME. SO AXL HATERS STOPING CRYING ABOUT ¨GNR NAME¨.


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COMMENT | Round 1
posted by : krek
12/15/2008 6:09:50 AM
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Axl - 1
Slash - 0


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posted by : Falopa
12/15/2008 6:16:01 AM
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BESIDES, WHAT SLASH SAID ABOUT: AXL OBLIGED ME TO SIGN ... HEHE, I NEVER BELIEVED THAT. I KNOW IT WAS A LIE. HEHE.

SLASH NEVER EXPLAIN IN DETAIL THE STORY OF THE NAME ¨GUNS N ROSES¨. SO GNR NAME BELONGS TO AXL ROSE. YEAH, PEOPLE, IT BELONGS TO AXL ROSE.



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posted by : Falopa
12/15/2008 6:19:37 AM
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GUNS N ROSES = AXL ROSE.

And now, we know WHY.


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posted by : Falopa
12/15/2008 6:22:59 AM
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MAYBE, NOW, SLASH PUBLISHES A BOOK TO ANSWER AXL ROSE... LOL.



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COMMENT | I especially like the "lynch-mob mentality" part
posted by : El Satanico Dr. Cadillac
12/15/2008 6:32:33 AM
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I've been posting up here for years, and I've noticed that whoever is Axl's Enemy Of The Moment ends up being fodder for the fanboys. I remember when Buckethead quit, Axl launched one of his whiny tirades about him, and all of a sudden, the Buckethead changed from being a hero to a pariah overnight. Now Axl sounds like he likes Buckethead again, and now Slash is the new whipping boy, so the fanboys are doing their Pavlov's dog routine with him.

Axl is a master at projection (a common symptom of bi-polar people), and him accusing others of a lynch-mob mentality is friggin' hilarious!

Axl Rose is a hero to the mentally weak, and I can see why: everything is very simple clear in his world: he is Good, and all of the people who are supposedly fucking with him are Bad. I'm glad he's found a convenient scapegoat for the ongoing failure of The Great White Whale, aka Chi-Dem.

Meanwhile, I have a feeling that Slash is going to say very little about this whole thing, therefore winning the debate by default.


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COMMENT | Axl rocks
posted by : double_talking_jive
12/15/2008 6:42:06 AM
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and I believe in what he says. Chinese democracy is amazing.

gnr\m/

thanks Axl for everything \m/



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COMMENT | you---
posted by : pattonPwr
12/15/2008 8:35:12 AM
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a big fuck you to all the haters.

nuff said ;)


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COMMENT | wonder how much is true???
posted by : #1metalhead
12/15/2008 8:36:45 AM
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who to believe axl,slash or blabbermouth.guess we'll never know?


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COMMENT | Basajuan
posted by : El Satanico Dr. Cadillac
12/15/2008 9:14:12 AM
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Yer post is beyond silly, my friend. You didn't read what I wrote very carefully did you? I was talking about what Axl has been quoted saying in the PAST about Buckethead, and how the fanboys reacted to it THEN. Yes, NOW he has changed his story once again, but that's actually a great example of how mealymouthed Axl is.

Here are the FACTS: when Buckethead left GNR, Axl went on several tirades again him and practically blamed him for Chi-Dem's delays. For Axl's braindead asslickers on Blabbermouth, Buckethead went from being a hero to a bad guy overnight. Now, as a GNR fan, you don't REMEMBER this? Don't you remember all of the fanboys calling him "Fuckethead"? Have you blocked it all out? How can you accuse me of not getting my facts straight?

Here's part of what Axl said, and I quote:

"During his tenure with the band, Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment — despite being under contract — creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence," Rose said. "His transient lifestyle has made it impossible for even his closest friends to have nearly any form of communication with him whatsoever."

NOW, Axl is blaming the problems with Buckethead on Merck, but that's just Axl's usual 3-year old behavior: always shifting blame: But, it is very clear that Axl, not Merck was the one who had the problem w/Buckethead back then.

Compare, here's Axl playing his blame-game in 2004:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1486053/20040330/guns_n_roses.jhtml?headlines=true

And above, we have Axl playing his blame game in 2008. Different enemies, different year, same shit. See a pattern anyone? I sure do.



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COMMENT | for the record:
posted by : El Satanico Dr. Cadillac
12/15/2008 9:19:49 AM
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I believe Izzy's version of events:

http://www.chopaway.com/articles/classicrock2001.php

Very eye-opening... and surprise, surprise, it matches up with the version of events told by Slash, Duff and Matt pretty well.

Basically, either you gotta believe that 4 guys are all liars and Axl is telling the truth... or you gotta believe that Axl is the liar. Considering how often Axl changes his point of view, I think it's pretty clear that he is the liar.



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COMMENT | Is it just me...
posted by : slaughterhouse
12/15/2008 9:54:00 AM
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or does anyone else agree that this guy took one fucking question and altered it 20 different ways......Jesus Christ...maybe they should talk about something other than the fucking name! How about the music!!!!!!!!


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COMMENT | Axl is a headcase
posted by : rollins
12/15/2008 9:59:17 AM
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Just before Appettite came out GNR was set to play a tiny club in Jersey. Less then 100 people showed....I know I was one of them. We get to the door and were told to go home...Axl cancelled. Sound familiar? Axl was diva, and still is. Good luck seeing a tour for this record, you're more likely to see a soundgarden reunion.


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COMMENT | at the end of the day
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 10:11:58 AM
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"Axl Rose is a hero to the mentally weak"

so felopa, basajaun, desertplains and doros fit the description properly

The sum of it all is that slash didn't kiss his ass enough. Poor boy, stay with the brazilian nanny and suck her tit.


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COMMENT | Kinda nice...
posted by : dxf
12/15/2008 10:18:31 AM
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It's admirable how, in the face of all this pressure, Rose is relenting to open up and talk a little -- but he's doing it in fan forums.


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COMMENT | I'll add to that one, too:
posted by : El Satanico Dr. Cadillac
12/15/2008 10:27:01 AM
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Axl is a hero to geeks. Read Izzy's description of him, and it's perfect: the nerd who gets beat up and can't get laid, so he becomes a big rock star. A perfect ending, right?

Except for geekdom has affected his brain so much that he becomes a power-hungry, sociopathic monster, able to twist anything into being someone else's fault. He surrounds himself with yes-men and has an army of fanboys who praise everything he does, so without the constructive criticism, he ends up destroying his own success. The more he sucks, the more he gets praised by his brainless fans, and that contributes to his sucking even more. It's a deadly cycle... and pretty sad, considering how great GNR used to be.

One more observation: Chi-Dem is music that stupid people mistake for being intellectual. It's kinda Queen in that respect (and no disrespect to the awesome musicianship of Queen here): basically, it tries fruitlessly to be intellectual, and ends up wowing stupid people who think it's deep and profound, but most other people just think it's overblown, pretentious, puerile and childish.

Kinda like Axl himself.


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posted by : pattonPwr
12/15/2008 10:28:54 AM
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I BELIEVE IN MYSELF N AXL ROSE


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posted by : DESERTPLAINS
12/15/2008 10:33:10 AM
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To help - there were seven pages of questions relating to this topic on that message board. That is what Axl is answering here. He did not copy and paste the questions, he just went in order pretty much.


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COMMENT | also
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 10:41:54 AM
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to all the fanboys who praise him for doing this joke and not a proper interview. No decent magazine would let him rant against slash every 3 words, because journalistically speaking, IT'S BORING and seems contrived. We all know that the magazines he talks to are knee jerked but cmon, every 3 words he's trashing slash's name, no legitimate reporter would let him do that.

On the boards of his fanboys he can piss on slash as much as he wants without anybody calling him on his bullshits. I bet there is already a swarm of idiots writing posts on how to kill slash.


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COMMENT | history
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 10:48:13 AM
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I have to go along w/Satanico Dr. Cadil-ac-ac...axl has a long history that shows he usually is the problem, not the solution. He always comes across peaceful & well thought in interviews, he does have what seems to be a thoughtful side to him. there are just too many people stacked up, other than Slash, that confirm that Axl was an egomanic. he also holds major grudges, for little things it seems...in Axl's defense, he may have been the main guy doing alot of the band's business dealings in the hey-day, due to the others were majorly gacked to the gills on drugs & alcohol. he may have been keeping the band name to GnR, not some management person, but everyone seems to confirm with Slash that he was power hungry...that Izzy article that was attached also verifies this....not surprising he was a geek/outcast in Highschool, most rockers were, burnout types. He is probably pretty smart though. He can charm people I bet...but he always has some rationalization for his bad behavior, he's never wrong. Even if Slash was getting off on his ego too(which I'm sure he was), he seems like someone now that you could speak to & bury the hachette....drives me nuts when people say "if Slash/duff were the force behind GnR, VR would have been better". Its 15-20 years later! If the original GnR get together, it might not meet standards anymore, their creative peak is over. And VR has some good creative moments.


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COMMENT | ChiDem
posted by : If I die tomorrow
12/15/2008 11:12:37 AM
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will always be Axl's solo record in my book.

And "Contraband" sounded MUCH more like GnR than ChiDem.

Steven Adler at least jumped the sinking ship in time.

Good 4 him,watching him on celeb rehab he seems like
a genuine hardcore rocker with a sweet soul although
with a bunch of unsolved issues.
Great drummer,unlike "afraid of breaking my cymbals"
Sorum.
Seriously,watch the guy play!



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COMMENT | VR
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 11:12:56 AM
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regardless what you think of VR, I don't think Slash's Snakepit, or VR are any indication of what Slash brought to GnR. I think they all added their pieces as a unit, Slash might have brought the riffs, Izzy songs, Axl lyrics, melodies, production ideas, making what Slash brought a more polished outcome. I'm guessing, but from what I've read. They also would probably(I hope) have said "ok Axl, that's enough tinkering, this is great, let's release it"....Snakepit was just an side thing to start...VR's first CD was solid...Slash was a great rock & riff guy, great sound too. Axl had lots of great visions, ideas/production. It worked all together, obviously. Separately no one has done as well, they were one of those great bands that come along every 10 years or so. (or used to).


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COMMENT | Axl is mad
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 11:18:11 AM
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It's fun to read all that but i think it shows a lot of his personnality, who seems complex and twisted.

But, that's maybe why CD is so good. So he can continue being the tortured artist. They're the best to push limits. Regular joes do VR kind of album with no creativity.

And i must add that any anybody bashing Axl's fanboy are doing exactly the same thing for Slash and Izzy. Now it seems that Izzy is the best G n' R songwriter. Guess you didn't hear Izzy Stradlin and the juju hounds...

El satanico. You're still there trying to brainwash people on how so intelligent people says that CD is dull and simple and stupid and you don't even realize how dumb you look to be so desesperate to try to have support from whatever review you read.

The other day, you asked me to names albums to i thought was amazing and you did the same and open-minded as i am, i tried some of the things you said, like Portishead and Devo in particular.

Well you have no right to talk anymore, especially with that awful band that is Devo and that you certainly loved because some review said it was good. Whip it?? Peke-a-boo??

On the other hand, i thought Porstishead was cool. I listened to the songs Roads in particular and while it's great, the song is the same for 5 minutes. So i really doubt of your ability to judge what is deep or not. Maybe you only talk about lyrics?

Anyway... Devo Whip it andPeek-a-boo are surely better than Chi-Dem. Ahahahah Yeah right.


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COMMENT | juju hounds
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 11:26:16 AM
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again, that's missing the point saying "did you hear juju hounds". they are what they are, straight ahead, Stonesy, shuffle type rock. It probably what he brought to the band(GnR) as demos, like "14 years" or "Dust & Bones", and Slash added some heavier guitar, riffs, Axl adds more dynamic vocals, layered vocals, production, & you have a finished GnR product. But it probably started out more like a JuJu hound sounding thing to start, that he presented to the band. Same w/Snakepits first CD. On his own, Izzy didn't want to work up those songs to that point, produce them like that, plus its expensive. Add Izzy vocals & it makes it less dynamic, just more straight up rock. And pretty good if that's what you're looking for...GnR, yes, you want more.


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COMMENT | BSLASH
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 11:28:39 AM
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So if Izzy bought 14 years and Dus and bones... Do you think these songs proves how great a songwriter is??

and the style of musci have nothing to do with this. A good songwriter will appear in any style.


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COMMENT | le.dieu
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 11:39:14 AM
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yes, he brought lots of songs to the table. Those are 2 examples. I'm saying, in regards to "have you heard the juju hounds", like saying "that sucked, so it was obviously AXL that was the force in GnR", it was a team thing. Those juju hound songs, many of them, had GnR decided to use some, would have sounded different on a GnR album, but Izzy was coming up with the ideas, the germ, of some great songs, as they ALL were, including Axl. That's why it was great as a UNIT, not each individual. That is why people loved GnR....if what Axl were saying were true, in this Q&A, I'd actually sympathize with him more. in his mind, this is probably true to him, but others would definitely think say different....and yes, those songs are good to answer your question, as are many he wrote. and he wrote in many forms. Those 2 he sang, so they were better examples...If you want to delute the facts & say "Axl is GNR, he did it all, he was a victim", that's foolish. Maybe Slash's point of view is exaggerated as well, but it seems most tell the same tales as Slash. Slash was wasted, but seems to be widely liked.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : kimidead138
12/15/2008 11:41:02 AM
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well eeh....., all i gotta say is the RedHead has some major issues......


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COMMENT | THE FOLLOWING IS REQUIRED READING.
posted by : pigchop
12/15/2008 11:46:12 AM
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Hey kids - the following is quite a long read, but well worth the time to do so. No, it was not ALL Axl's fault that GUNS N' ROSES imploded, but...well...

IZZY STRADLIN speaks:

http://www.chopaway.com/articles/classicrock2001.php





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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 11:50:45 AM
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Don't invent things. I never said Axl was G n' R. I just sad that if people are ready to kiss Izzy and Slash ass, they're just like the fanboys they like to laugh at.

It seems that Slash and Izzy are perfect to them and now Izzy was the best songwriter in G n' R? Well, i say to listen to Juju hounds because even tough it's good, there's nothing there that makes you go :"Wow what amazing songwriting." It's just straight ahead blues based songs, nothing to write home about.

So you have :

Slash : Slash's snakepit, VR.
Duff : Loaded, VR, Duff's solo album Believe in me.
Izzy : Juju Hounds.
Axl : Chinese democracy.

If you look at this from a "solo" point a view, it's not hard to tell who did the best songwriting effort in the bunch.



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COMMENT | #
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 12:00:29 PM
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I wasn't saying Izzy was their best writer. He did write an awful lot though. Axl had his strengths too. I don't hear any great rockers on Chin Dem that I did on the classic lineup's albums. Those other guys also weren't taking FOURTEEN YEARS to put their albums out. That first Snakepit album was done for some fun, blowing off steam, its rockin', but even Slash says is like a demo. It was recorded quickly, I think people purchasing that go in with that in mind. Still think it rocks though. But it definitely lacks all the other elements of a GnR release, big production, Axl's epic songs(which in my mind is for the worst, for my $$ November rain is their alltime worst song, cheese ballad)...I'm not kissing anyones ass, I'm saying the all needed each other, they all had strengths....the "amazing song writing" on appetite again was a team thing, Axl brought songs, the others brought chords, the structures, Axl added great stuff too, to those song. They were more rockin' tunes, that most wouldn't say were "amazing song writing", like on the Beatles type level. That was never GnR, & that's what Axl wants. I dont' think he acheived that on chin Dem!....to answer your question, for my tastes, I'll talk the 1st VR over Chin Dem. The other CD's are good, but they'll admit, they were SMALL budget, fun rock albums...and Duff's is very underrated btw.


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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 12:04:23 PM
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You can find cheese on Appetite too. Sweet child, Think about you??

Maybe lyrically, like November rain.

But musically, these songs are great, November rain included.


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COMMENT | le.idiot
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 12:08:13 PM
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wants us to believe he's the ultimate music judge of the universe.

By his writing he doesn't understand shit about anything, he listens to grandiose, pompous production and he hears a masterpiece.

He, as axl thinks "more complicated=better" because people will be forced to think i am super intelligent to think about this piece of music.
It is known however that simple things are the most effective. And the very simple things can stand on their feet even without grandiose productions. Take away the pompousness to chidem and what do you have? songs? probably noise poorly thrown together. November rain still had ground on a solo piano (see early demos) but november rain was still decently written.

Izzy's records are to be judged through the spectrum of straight rnr, not pop commercial standards and a lot of americans happens to like them because it connects them with the rnr roots that are AMERICAN ONLY. But le.idiot is french so he doesn't stick his nose outside his smelly country.

Same with Slash. Unfortunately some people outside the anglosphere or simply outside the USA cannot understand the roots of american music.

And Stairway to Heaven didn't take 14 years to make.


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COMMENT | Why Guns N Roses on Blabbermouth???
posted by : metalkt
12/15/2008 12:14:41 PM
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I'm a long time reader and never posted before, but I'm getting a little tired of pulling this page up daily and reading something or other about Axl Rose or Guns N Roses. "Chinese Democracy" was one of the most anticipated releases in a long time, and it has performed so far sales wise in a very lackluster fashion. It's not even metal, and who really cares what the hell Axl thinks or feels...if he had cared about the music or his fans he would have pushed this album out a long time ago; I doubt much improvement has been made over the decade plus it took to get this release to the streets. Maybe 20 years ago when Guns hit the world scene maybe it was considered "metal", but in a world at that time of Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and thrash bands that never even got a chance on the airwaves, Guns WASN'T metal. C'mon Blabbermouth, give this stuff a rest!


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COMMENT | AsUsual
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 12:15:17 PM
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you make a fool out of yourself.

If you like Novemeber rain and can find merits in that song, you can like Street of dreams or Catcher in the Rye, This i love but since you like image more than music, you don't even see that.

Youknow nothing about songwriting do you? To tell that you must judge Izzy's effort to a rnr standard.

Like i said, it got nothing to do with style of music. Great songwriter shines in any style and a rock and roll song can be a masterpiece if you can f9ind something special in it.

And don't speak about nationality to judge someone else because you can only look like a retard, something you seems to do well in every day life, i'm sure.

And i'm not french, from France i mean. So wrong two times, idiot.



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COMMENT | "It is known however that simple things are the most effective."
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 12:17:56 PM
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Where did you read that, in your third grade book?


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COMMENT | le.idiot at it again
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 12:30:57 PM
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"If you like Novemeber rain and can find merits in that song, you can like Street of dreams or Catcher in the Rye, This i love "

I never said I "liked" november rain, I said it is written enough well to stay on its legs. I said a long time ago that the "ballads" of the new album (which I listened once or twice because I went to 2 shows of the atrocious axl rose show) are a poor version of november rain and estranged. Does them make them good songs?

You go around telling people that they are delusional when they want an appetite n.2, yet you are overly excited by a november rain n.2 that is simply more and more OVERPRODUCED. Some of those songs were around in the beginning of 90s. This I love as title has been circulating for YEARS AND YEARS. If he had release them in mid 90s or at most end of 90s they would have had sense. November rain pt. 2 after 15 years makes NO sense.

what sense of rnr (and i mean all spectrums of american rnr) do you have since your favourite band is megadeth?

Go masturbating to november rain part 2. I barely had the nerve to listen to the first one


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COMMENT | #
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 12:37:33 PM
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There are some great "grand" types of song writing that work, like Bohemian Rapsody, it could be considered a masterpiece, some Beatles, like Day in the Life. you can like both simple, straight forward & the epic, you know....its about one's taste. But, to dismiss a straight forward approach is short sighted too. Even Axl would tell you that. its so easy was great, a fist down your throat, the real thing, captured an attitude. Great punk songs. I'm not a huge Nirvana fan, but that's what people liked about it. So to say "you don't know songwriting" because you may prefer an Izzy style writing is foolish. Its hard too, to write a simple song that has impact, that can get people fired up, or dance, whatever. There's room for both. Zep & the Stones definitely captured both. GnR loved them both. Axl included...and while Queen had Bohomian Raps, they also had over the top "show must go on" , "radio gaga" that are overproduced bores. Full of hot air, which is the category I put "street of dreams". A ballad dripping with cheese wiz, a Celine Dion throw away song, blasted with a silly shred solo that fits the song was well as Axl's wigs fit his head, complete hair crime....I'll give him this, Axl, Geffen wasn't going to fund this 14 year epic plan if it was called Axl Rose Dynasty, so I understand he had to take the GnR name as well....the man that brought you plaid(kilt) on plaid(flannel shirt). (i'm kidding, spare me the "you're just into fashion" blogs).


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COMMENT | AsUsual
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 12:37:58 PM
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"If he had release them in mid 90s or at most end of 90s they would have had sense. November rain pt. 2 after 15 years makes NO sense."

OK so it's a question of time for you. Something else that distract you from music i guess...

"I went to 2 shows of the atrocious axl rose show"

I knew the doctor dropped you at birth. So you hated it the first time but still return for a second time? Ahahah.

OK, so if November rain stays on its legs, why not Street of dreams, Catcher on the rye and This i love could from a sonwriting point of view?

Yes, i love a lot of american music, rock and roll, southern rock, hard rock, metal, but i'm a fan of music first, not of a particular style. But i still prefer hard rock, metal and classical.

So i guess classical must suck since the simple things are the most effective... Ahah.



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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 12:42:14 PM
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Read what i said again. Guess you didn't want to see it...

"Like i said, it got nothing to do with style of music. Great songwriter shines in any style and a rock and roll song can be a masterpiece if you can f9ind something special in it."

So yes, Stones and Zep are equally great in that sense. One of my favorite album is Exile on main street anyway.

I really don't know how you can compare Street of dreams to Celine Dion but i guess you know more about Celine than me.
I don't know why you say how the solo doesn't fit. You could say that about a lot of solos then.


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COMMENT | this is very smart
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 12:50:48 PM
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best line of the thread

"[street of dreams] A ballad dripping with cheese wiz, a Celine Dion throw away song, blasted with a silly shred solo that fits the song was well as Axl's wigs fit his head, complete hair crime...."


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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 12:54:34 PM
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Be honest...

Slash is still in G n' R...

He does the Street of dreams solo exactly like it is on CD.

I'm sure you love it. Ahah.


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COMMENT | Twain Wreck
posted by : smittygans1
12/15/2008 1:03:17 PM
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i guess this is his version of everything. It's funny how a collection of people (former band members, managers, A&R reps and ex-girlfriends) can paint Axl in a similar light but his account is that it is 'media non-sense' to 'destroy' him.

Slash said in many interviews while in GNR that Axl was "the best in the business." So he (Slash) decided to write all of the lyrics and melodies for new GNR songs and not allow Axl to come up with anything?? I find that hard to believe. He didn't do that on either of the 2 VR albums.

So Slash didn't like a lot of the songs on 'Appetite?' That 's interesting in that his writing has mostly been in the style of that record since it came out. In '96 he is on record saying he wanted to get back to an "Appetite" type of record for the next Guns album but left that year because he & Axl ' couldn't agree on anything.'

Slash on the 'ego ramp?' James Hetfield on "A year and a Half ..." (Metallica vid) talks about how "the singer has to have a 20 foot ego ramp..." when discussing the Guns/ Metallica tour logistics. I don't think he meant Slash.

Maybe it is time to man up and take some responsibility.


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COMMENT | le,idiot is really dense
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 1:05:30 PM
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"OK so it's a question of time for you. Something else that distract you from music i guess..."

asswipe, i will make it easier for your limited comprehension ability. When you were at school (if you ever went to school) there were tests and exercises. 2 kids complete the same test. One takes 20 minutes, the other takes 12 years. Now answer. Who is the smartest kid?

SEcond test: the sistine chapel took 4 years to make. Now that is a lot of manual work but it wouldn't have been the same if it took 40 years because even back then, styles changed and what was accepted as artistic without shadow of a doubt, could be less of it 40 years later. Not to mention that the Church, who was a very demanding employer could tell you to fuck off if you didn't finish the job they profusely paid.

The even for the sistine chapel completed after 40 years one could say "mhmhmh, it took 40 years to do this church ceiling, leonardo took only 3 years to paint an equivalent masterpiece called Last supper". That means Leonardo is better than Michelangelo.

There have been probably other memorable songs in the past 80 years of music that put to shame what axl did, and he with all the help, money and technology one could only dream to have managed to put together this?

only for the fanboys like yourself

"I knew the doctor dropped you at birth. So you hated it the first time but still return for a second time?"

well jackass, I had passes both times (so i didn't pay for this fraud like you probably did) and the second time there was an izzy appearance, so i slept for the whole thing and a friend of mine woke me up to see izzy. Not that I liked that he lowered himself to that level, it's just that there aren't many chances around to see izzy and I tried to take my chance.

"OK, so if November rain stays on its legs, why not Street of dreams, Catcher on the rye and This i love could from a sonwriting point of view?"

so you are ready to dismiss all the idiocy you wrote for weeks to people who wanted a more AFD oriented album?

"So i guess classical must suck since the simple things are the most effective... Ahah"

this comes from a retard who knows nothing about music. Have you ever saw a pentagram? HAve you ever studied Vivaldi, Paganini etc? Ever heard ave maria by schubert?


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COMMENT | of course
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 1:11:03 PM
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slash has always had his trademark guitar playing, as eric clapton has, gilmore, and many others, he could never come up with something anonymous like all the things on that cd. The only thing that's a trademark there is axl's voice and his arrogance translated in music pompousness, the rest is anonymous stuff done by anonymous average and forgettable players.


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COMMENT | exactly
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 1:15:02 PM
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the poster above said it clearly
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Slash said in many interviews while in GNR that Axl was "the best in the business." So he (Slash) decided to write all of the lyrics and melodies for new GNR songs and not allow Axl to come up with anything?? I find that hard to believe. He didn't do that on either of the 2 VR albums.
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This is unbelieavable and nonsense, but suckboys like the axl fanboys would believe anything.

Thank god there was bush for 8 years taking the blame for every single problem in the world, otherwise you would have had poor victim axl say that Katrina was slash's fault. And the fanboys cheering "yes, it's right, let's kill slash"



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COMMENT | AsUsual
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 1:15:03 PM
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You're so funny. So you went for Izzy only? Yeah it's so fun to go to a show to see a five minutes appearrance by a rythmn guitarist. Izzy fanboy :)

As for the matter of time, i was talking about the fact that you said that This i love for example doesn't make sense 15 years later. HUH?? Why. Did i say this song sounds like November rain? You can find similarities but it's another thing.

I almost fell asleep during your post with your Michelangelo analogy since i already knew what you meant and was responding to something i didn't even talk about. Good luck next time trying to drop names like Michelangelo, Schubert and Paganini to try to look bright.

You must look forward to the next G n' R tour to go again. Maybe you'll can see Izzy for 2 minutes, fanboy.



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COMMENT | AsUsual
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 1:17:24 PM
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"slash has always had his trademark guitar playing, as eric clapton has, gilmore, and many others, he could never come up with something anonymous like all the things on that cd."

So you're a Slash fanboy too?

Slash do this for several years now, coming up with something anonymus. Guess you thought everything he did outside of Guns was great? Poor boy.


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COMMENT | as usual
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 1:24:20 PM
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great point re: the trademark sound etc. that is right on....even if you love Axl, & believe he really tried to keep Slash on board, he quit blah blah, what is there to dislike about Slash? Or Duff. To the fans/media, they just seem like straight up good guys in a business of wanna-bes. They seem to get it. You see them interviewed, both smart, & come away thinking "pretty good guys". They are tricking everyone? And saying nice things about Axl, basically saying "seriously, bitterness is gone, good luck to you, you can have the name".


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COMMENT | actually asswipe
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 1:27:02 PM
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izzy is my least fav member of gnr, but again, my respect for all of them is so much that yes, with a pass i went to see izzy for 5-8 minutes (actually i also met him so that makes it a plus).

I would trade it with meeting steven, gilby, matt, slash or duff, but guess what asswipe? I already meet those people enough.

This I love adds nothing creatively. Look, there have been in history bands who did copy of their hits through the years. I don't care if it was lack of creativity or else, they simply did. But none of those happened after 15 years time with the footer signature "this is going to be a masterpiece that's here only to tell people that i was a genius and the other former members were shit".

REading all the axl bullshits the only thing that comes to mind is that he doesn't give a shit about music, he is only interested in making music because of money and the rockstar lifestyle, rubbing elbows with celebrities, this album was made ONLY to try to say the others were crap and he is a messiah.

Too bad he failed as grandiosely as his premise.

"I almost fell asleep during your post with your Michelangelo "

Thats why I started with "due to your limited mental capabilities" so I totally expected your brain rejecting any logic.

Slash has got a trademark guitar playing, regardless of what he plays, I guess in your deluded brain you can say "oh that's richard scrotus" when you hear something on the radio LOL.

Of course BumbleBumble is so easily recognizable!!! Buckethead is a shredder like MILLIONS others (who have better compositions)


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COMMENT | AsUsual
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 1:36:04 PM
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I'm sure you never said when you heard Sympathy for the devil, that in a lot of place, that wasn't Slash but Paul Huge.

So, that's it for Slash signature sound.

Don't get me wrong i love Slash, but i will not say is perfect. Since he's out of Guns, he never did one solo as good as Nightrain, Estranged. It's just little commercial rock with un creative solos.

If Axl would only think about money, he would have release a lot more album and a lot sooner.

And if Izzy is your least favorite but still want to endure a G n' R show just to see him 4 minutes, guess you have a serious problem.

Your Michelangelo thing was way off the mark, that's why i rejected it. It had nothing to do with what i was talking about. Try following the conversation next time.


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COMMENT | "Buckethead is a shredder like MILLIONS others"
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 1:40:15 PM
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Yeah he sures prove how he's a shredder on Sorry...

It's funny how you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.



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COMMENT | le.dieu
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 1:43:06 PM
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I'm not saying the Snakepit albums are on par w/the GnR albums, but for killer guitar playing, there are AMAZING riffs/Solos on there, like his best. Serial Killer, if you don't think Slash can near "shred", listen to that. Some of his heaviest stuff is on the first CD. "what do you want from Me', just ripping. The singing I can take or leave, but for fans of Slash's playing, the first CD in particular are awesome. Just for playing...and again, As Usual, what people miss the point of, when they say "Buckethead/Bumblefoot blow Slash away", is those guys have no signature style that is stamped on rock history. Slash does.


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 1:49:44 PM
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How do you know they don't have a signature sound? You listened to them? It's not because they weren't in a big band like G n' R that they don't have their signature sound.

If Chinese democracy was G n' R first album and they became big, all the solos you hear on CD would be viewed as incredible.

Bumblefoot solo on Catcher in the rye is as good as anything Slash ever did in Guns. Buckethead solo on Sorry is very soulful and emotional. These guys are able to play with the songs, they're not only shredder. Even Robin Finck did a hell of a job and i thought at first that he wouldn't fit. But objectively, he wasn't that great live but he did well on the album.


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posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 1:58:05 PM
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Everyone has a sound, even a hack like me in my living room. But no one knows that sound. Who the hell is turning on the radio & saying "yeah, that's Bumblefoot, can't miss that guitar sound". Only a handful of shred heads. that's how i know. Slash has a reknown sound in R&R....I'm also not knocking Bumblefoot, I'm sure he's awesome. but GnR is lacking that classic sound in my opinion...these guys all did a hell of a job, they were hired because they are spotless technicians, that can also mimic Slash to a T....Shred people say Slash is boring, just plays the Blue Rock thing, yet its amazing how so many people respond to his playing, know his sound, even in 1988 were like "love how that guitarist sounds, refreshing". At a time when there were thousands of tricky technicians. So if this were the first GnR CD, I don't think GnR would be the great band they are, & those solo's would be about as remembered in rock history as a White Lion Solo. Slash did suck at throwing the guitar around his back though.


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COMMENT | oh yes
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:13:10 PM
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"I'm sure you never said when you heard Sympathy for the devil, that in a lot of place, that wasn't Slash but Paul Huge. "

and you suppose this how? I probably heard it once or twice and never liked it one bit, if I remember well I knew the genesis of the song and i considered it like the typical axl insult to the ones not willing to bow down to him. The fact that axl muddled the song with his fuckbuddy inputs doesn't automatically means that slash hasn't got a trademark guitar sound.

"Don't get me wrong i love Slash, but i will not say is perfect. "

nobody said he is perfect
perfection doesn't exist

Every guitarist chooses to be a solo virtuoso (vai, malmsteen, satriani, the list here is very long) and set their carreer in a certain way or contribute with a band or more bands (page). Slash is more on the second category, so his work can adapt to the several situation he's been in.

I admire the fact that he's able to play and add his 2 cents to several artists from Chic to Ray Charles. If I was a professional musician I would do the same rather than masturbating on the guitar doing instrumental tracks.

About doing solos, solos are not a mandatory feature of any song, there have been years where solos were self-celebrating and out of fashion. I don't judge a song by a solo or lack of.

A solo is a small part of a song, usually given to give evidence to the player rather than completing the song.

"If Axl would only think about money, he would have release a lot more album and a lot sooner."

what makes you think he's able to write and record to a faster pace? Of course you believe the bullshits that this fraud didn't come out earlier because the planets were not alligned and a bug crawled up axl's ass, in reality its that he's slow and didn't have many ideas to begin with.

So as a "rushed" abortion of song like Oh My God was indicative that he's not very able to write decent songs at a fast pace, there was no chance in hell that this album could have been released 10 years ago.

What he did in the past 10 years was re-record stuff over and over. Not improving the songs. I am appalled by the number of songs that have been around for 6-10 years. I remember mentions of this I love around 91, JESUS!

If this is the "best" he can do than the situation is DRAMATIC.

"And if Izzy is your least favorite but still want to endure a G n' R show just to see him 4 minutes, guess you have a serious problem."

no dear, it's just that some people do go out when they have a chance, rather than sit home masturbating in front of an axl photo thinking his cum cures cancer.

I do not list the PT barnum axl circus as one of the best experiences of my life, but at least i can say to jackasses like yourself that I have been there and heard the anonymous gnr yes men butching few among my fave songs.

I bet you never went to see VR or slash or any of the people that you tag "unworthy". I also went to see NIN with Finck, he used to suck there too, but at least that was his enviroment to begin with.

"Your Michelangelo thing was way off the mark, that's why i rejected it. It had nothing to do with what i was talking about."

TRANSLATED = it was spot on and i have no idea how to reply without sounding stupid

Explain me why Satriani and vai had a proper carreer as guitar heroes and the idiots with gimmicks like bucket of piss and bumble idiot had to wait for the GNR spot to break it.

I have seen some ebay listings of guitar magazines having Ron Thal as "upcoming guitarist" in 1987. Can you explain to me why he's been pratically unknown in a decade where guitar players were there in plenty and had success? Why he had to wait 20 years and a lousy job as axl yes men to break it?

I remember buying A LOT of guitar magazines in end of 80s, all 90s, never saw bucket of piss or bumble idiot. There must be a reason.


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 2:14:11 PM
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"Who the hell is turning on the radio & saying "yeah, that's Bumblefoot, can't miss that guitar sound". "

Maybe if you weren't so much concern about what is popular enough to be played on the radio, you would know that if Bumblefoot or Buckethead had songs played on the radio, people would recognize their style.

Slash has been a lot more popular and a lot more people had interest in G n' R music.

But it was G n' R music that you could recognize, not Slash only because i'm sure you would have listened to VR first single without knowing it was that band, you wouldn't know it was Slash playing.

Like you didn't know which parts were Slash and which parts weren't on Sympathy for the devil.


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COMMENT | lol
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:17:57 PM
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"If Chinese democracy was G n' R first album and they became big, all the solos you hear on CD would be viewed as incredible."

you don't even believe youself the shit you're writing right?

the aborted democraxy sold 400.000 copie because it carries the name GNR on it and 50.000 copies because there are 50.000 idiots that think it's worth their money.

So if it was gnr first album (axl first album) it would have sold 50.000 copies.


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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:22:22 PM
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"But it was G n' R music that you could recognize, not Slash only because i'm sure you would have listened to VR first single without knowing it was that band, you wouldn't know it was Slash playing.

Like you didn't know which parts were Slash and which parts weren't on Sympathy for the devil. "

you keep on repeating this shit. Not everybody is keen on axl's front package like yourself, you have no ground to base this sentence on. Stop speculating about others.

If you are unable to recognize slash's sound (or anybody else's sound) that's your problem, don't project it on others.


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 2:24:18 PM
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"I remember buying A LOT of guitar magazines in end of 80s, all 90s, never saw bucket of piss or bumble idiot. There must be a reason."

Maybe because guitar mags like to sell and will put on the cover and inside what will sell the most. That's why you see Kirk Hammett on the covers everywhere even though he didn't create a single creative licks in years.

But anyway, i know that Slash has a signature sound. What i'm saying is that people won't necessaraly be able to recognize it. Could you know that Slash is playing on Vengence is mine from Alice Cooper if you wouldn't know it? I'm sure not.

Like i said, if you didn't know who was in VR and heard the first single, you wouldn't be able to recognize Slash style on it. Don't try to tell us you'd be able to reconginize Slash style everywhere.


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posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 2:25:21 PM
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but that's foolish what you said. Its like saying "if a tree falls in the forest, does it get heard"...i don't know Bumblefoot not because he's not great, but in rock history, he's not memberable. For whatever the reasons. Slash made it, & he's one of my favorite players, his sound I know anywhere. I used the radio as an example, how deep I delve into music is here nor there. I heard the guitar work on Chin.Dem, I'm not picking on them, or cuz I'm a Slash fan, but I didn't think it was unique or memorable. I also don't prefer shred style players, with a few exceptions, that's my tastes. If you can even argue Slash's stamp on Rock History compared to these hired hands on Chin Dem, that's just foolish. There's a reason a classic is a classic. There's a reason millions of people chose GnR out of all that crap in the late 80's, they stood out, Slash did as well. Its all part & parcel.


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 2:29:40 PM
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You love sales figures don't you?

It was a suppotition just to tell you that the solos on Chi-Dem are as good as Slash ever did in Guns but you're so much in love with Slash that you can even see it.

"If you are unable to recognize slash's sound (or anybody else's sound) that's your problem, don't project it on others."

You're the kind of guy to listen with your eyes or with an image in your head. Guess you knew it was Slash on Black or white by Michael Jackson ahah.



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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 2:32:40 PM
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I'm not denying Slash place in history or compare with Buckethead or Bumblefoot place.

But what is the history of music? It's the history of what is the most popular.

Frank Zappa is an amazing artist, who stood out be is he mentioned so much? Yes he is by great musicians who knows what they are talking about but not by the majority.

Don't mix history of music with popularity.


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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:35:06 PM
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"Maybe because guitar mags like to sell and will put on the cover and inside what will sell the most. That's why you see Kirk Hammett on the covers everywhere even though he didn't create a single creative licks in years. "

I didn't say "on the cover". A guitar magazine (or drum or bass) has got so many features inside but beside that one 20 lines article of 87, i have seen nothing of bumbleidiot. Same for bucket of piss. and bucket did records before GNR.


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 2:40:12 PM
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what tells you that the music mags you read were the be all end all of music?



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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:43:53 PM
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"Frank Zappa is an amazing artist, who stood out be is he mentioned so much? Yes he is by great musicians who knows what they are talking about but not by the majority."

zappa is more mainstreamly known that any bucket of piss or bumble.

zappa is rightly considered a genius, something your bucket of piss will never reach.

at most he can be axl's yes men, and that being not even prestigious , he's already distancing himself.


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COMMENT | I didn't compare
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 2:50:37 PM
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buckethead with Zappa. I know Zappa is more well-known than Bucket of piss (how old are you). What i meant is that since people know him less than Slash for example, his guitar style for example, isn't view as incredible like people can say of Slash. But in reality, What Zappa do on a guitar is lightyears ahead of Slash but why don't you see Zappa on the Guitar world 100 best guitarists? Because popularity is a big factor for them and they judge with that in mind. And foolish people like you read that and think it's true and that they know what they're talking about and now repeat it on Blabbermouth.

You're not able to grasp subtilities in what i say.That's why you don't like CHI-DEM.


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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:50:50 PM
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"what tells you that the music mags you read were the be all end all of music?"

they are absolutely more reliable than what fanboys like you say. And unlike guitar players hidden in bands those magazines focus on the virtuoso type. Hence, if those 2 tards were never featured it means they were nothing to write home about. Just good yes men on a payroll.

And Kirk hammet was never praised like a guitar genius back in the days, there were articles saying he used to take lessons while in metallica from satriani.

Jesus, you know nothing. How old are you? 12? I remember stuff of kirk and I never gave 2 shits about metallica either.


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COMMENT | you're borderline handicapped
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:52:50 PM
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"What Zappa do on a guitar is lightyears ahead of Slash but why don't you see Zappa on the Guitar world 100 best guitarists? "

christ, being dead doesn't help, mighty brain. Features of Jimi hendrix and zappa might call someone saying: jee, don't we have someone still alive?


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 2:55:19 PM
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"christ, being dead doesn't help, mighty brain. Features of Jimi hendrix and zappa might call someone saying: jee, don't we have someone still alive?"

Idiot. Jimi Hendrix is ALWAYS on those lists.


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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:57:37 PM
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it's useless, we are not sucking axl's cock like you do. Give up.

Slash is nt even my fave guitarist as a compose or as a guitarist, I liked GNR as a combo unit. Now it's a table without legs.

If you like to suck axl's cock, that's your prerogative but since i am not convincing you that slash is the best thing since sliced bread, but I do say he's a decent person with some accomplishments in life on his own, you should stop shoving down our throats axl's cum. That's your fave thing, not ours.


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COMMENT | Moron alert...
posted by : angryblacksmurf
12/15/2008 2:59:04 PM
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Axl is a long winded douche who fails to DIRECTLY answer any questions EVERY time.

Seriously reads like a lawyer is sitting there fighting over the keyboard with him to type up all that mindless drivel and keep it as vague as possible.

Guns nutswingers are always gullible enough to fall for it every time.


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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 2:59:38 PM
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are you talking about the "lists" with Kirk at #6? do you consider those "lists" as reliable?

I am talking about EVEN random mentions, therewas NONE, ZERO, NADA


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:00:05 PM
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Way to change subject. We're talking about guitar players here and you just forgot that Jimi Hendrix was always on those list putting your "FZ is dead" argument to shame.

Trying totell i'm an Axl fanboy won't give you your credibility back. (If you ever had any).


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COMMENT | I'm talking about any lists..
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:01:58 PM
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Where did you see Frank Zappa in one of the numerous "best guitar player of all time" list?

Nowhere.


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posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 3:05:59 PM
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listen, I do understand the Zappa example. Like As Usual said, while Zappa was sort of a cult musician, not for the faint of heart, but a great musician, his legacy is far greater than Bumblefoots. or Buckethead. I'd have respected Buckethead for his freakiness had he not "soldout" to play in a mainstream band. But I also would have done it too if I were him, gotta pay your bills....and yes, Slash is on the magazines not always cuz of his playing, but cuz he's in a mega band(was), I get that. But I still love his playing. and bottom line, the reason Eddie VanHalen was on more magazine covers than say Vai or Satriani, other than being in a megaband, its one thing, songs. you gotta write songs. Zappa too. you may love Zappa, but he wasn't writing songs for rock radio. I respect that...but honestly, I can only listen to select things, cuz it starts coming off as either novelty music, or guitar wanky. Again, I respect his vision, as the mad scientist of rock/fusion, but it wasn't for me. And I'm not all Mainstream GnR, VH either, I like some out there stuff. But to be remembered, you need the songs for the vehicle of your playing. And a great solo is great, but I also agree with As Usual, its about the song, its not about "man, I gotta add a great solo to this". That's what was wrong with the 80's shred band in my opinion, more concerned with their solo than the song itself. No?


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:13:45 PM
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So don't talk about music history or who will be remembered more.

As a guitar player, Slash will always be viewed as one of the best, long before Frank Zappa. That's why popularity, radio has nothing to do with music history.

"But to be remembered, you need the songs for the vehicle of your playing."

No, you must be liked by a lot of people, nothin more nothing less. Would you say that Zappa's song are less appropriate for his vehicle than G n' R songs? Just because the dumb majority can grasp it more easily doesn't mean it's better.


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COMMENT | And...
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:15:20 PM
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i already said that i don't compare Zappa's legacy with Buckethead.

But it's just a good example that great artists can sometimes be ignored in favor of more popular artist with a more remarkable image.


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posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 3:25:09 PM
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Zappa is & will be remembered though. So that example is good to a point. Buckethead will not be remembered. Even in the Shred genre. in 30 years, when looking back at rock music, the "shredders" remembered will be EVH, Vai, Satch, in the grand scheme of things. ynwvie I guess. They were around when Shred was big, that genre's torch is being held by such a small few, the blabbermouth crowd. But hey, if you like something, cool!....my point though is Zappa will be remembered, he had a fairly large cult following. Bucket has a bit of one, but unlike Zappa, he doen't have one song people know, general rock fans, to help bring him some attention. He's a GnR footnote. he's a great technician. I do agree with you, that alot of guitar heroism is just band notority....Zappa's songs as vehicles aren't inappropriate, but more a challenge. And Slash is also not my favorite either, maybe my favorite of the somewhat still relevant.


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:35:45 PM
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I understand what you,re saying and i agree to a point.

But if we come back on Chinese democracy and we forget the legacy that Buckethead, Bumblefoot will left behind and we just analyze their work on Chinese democracy, you just can't say that they're not amazing player and on Guns in particular, as good as Slash did. And like i said, if you had Slash playing on Catcher in the rye, i'm sure you would rave about it since Slash didn't play like this since his Guns days. But since it's the unknown Bumblefoot, the guy that will left no big legacy behind him, you're not ready to acknowledge his fantastic work.

Like on Street of dreams, i'm sure Slash does the same damn solo and nobody hear you say that it don't flows well with the song.


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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 3:37:43 PM
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Frank Zappa - The Guitarist
The same year, Rolling Stone Magazine ranked him #71 on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time.

happy asswipe?


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COMMENT | Well, i'd be happy
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:41:13 PM
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if he were in the top 10, at least.

Do you have a link for that or you saw it in your own mag?

He's rarely in those lists or when you have a list of the best guitar solos. It's more of a popularity contexte where you have Page solo on Stairway and Hendrix. (I don't say theses guys don't deserve it but it's more about popularity that the actual solo).


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COMMENT | I meant
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:42:06 PM
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popularity contest.


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COMMENT | lol
posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 3:43:42 PM
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"Like on Street of dreams, i'm sure Slash does the same damn solo and nobody hear you say that it don't flows well with the song. "

yes retard, and EVH plays the same solo, and santana plays the same and malmsteen plays the same.


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COMMENT | And #71
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:46:32 PM
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I guess Kurt Cobain is long before Zappa on that list. Ahah


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posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 3:46:52 PM
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I definitely have to disagree there, completely. i didn't like the solo on Street of dreams, it actually stuck out alot to me as being fast, mastabatory playing that, for me, didn't fit. Very unSlash like. Not that he needs to play "Slash", but I'm saying had it been Slash, I probably would have liked it, cuz it would have been 100% different. I don't go for shred, especially in a ballad. Its not my thing, but that's my personal taste, & why I do like Slash more, even if Bumblefoot gets famous now. (which he's not going to, this album isn't going to reach a boarder audience, its just not). I'm not dissing him, but if you said "ha, guess what, that was Slash" I'd say #1, its not, #2, hes aping Buckethead then, cuz that's not his style. I love Slash's more down to earth hard rock sound, it to me, rocks more. I was more a Slash fan than Axl anyhow, to me Slash saved Nov Rain with the end piece. Loved his lines in Estanged, but my favorite cuts are Locomotive, coma, where its Slash Central. ...and Axl to me didn't progress, he got silly on the Illusions tour, the costume changes, the short/shorts with the blazer, his c*ck for all to see, he looked so unrock, limp.


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:50:57 PM
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"i didn't like the solo on Street of dreams, it actually stuck out alot to me as being fast, mastabatory playing that, for me, didn't fit."

What are you talking about that solo being masturbatory playing? It's full of bends and a lot more emotionnaly based than shredding. In fact, i just can't hear shredding in that solo. You surely didn't really listen to it, that proving my point.


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COMMENT | guitar list
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 3:51:30 PM
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that Rolling stone guitar list is foolish. yes, Cobain is like #14, stupid. he(Frick) tried to go way overboard to be hip with his picks. No Slash at all!(ha)....those lists usually do go for the more famous though.


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posted by : AsUsual
12/15/2008 3:56:51 PM
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google it yourself


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posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 3:57:12 PM
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Well no Slash, it can be a serious list, but in fact, AsUsual's list is about "artists" and he tried to tell us that it was guitar playing.

This list is a joke if you have Frank Zappa at #71 and Kurt Cobain at #14. Those lists means nothing but to someone like AsUsual, they are important since it written in a mag. lol.


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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:00:24 PM
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I'd like you to respond about Street of dreams solo.

Where do you hear shredding. The only place i could see is the second part of the solo where it's a bit faster but i wouldn't consider it shredding since you have a lot of bends and little flurry of notes but not really fast. I think you have the image of Buckethead, Bumblefoot = shredder so you think that's all they do.


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COMMENT | je comprend
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 4:02:12 PM
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I didn't hear it like you didn't hear Slash's Snakepit. It doesn't matter, what I heard from that CD, and the leaks, I'm not that interested & feel he made a mistake, along with just taking so damn long & not changing the world....let me ask, is everyone convinced that is definitely him on that fan forum?


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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:04:06 PM
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This response have nothing to do with that solo.

Why don't you just admit that you didn't really listen to it and judge it anyway?


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COMMENT | Wow that list
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:11:24 PM
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Zappa #71 and he is listed as a vocalist ahahah. Funny.

That's the kind of lists you take seriously AsUsual?


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COMMENT | street o' nightmares.
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 4:14:24 PM
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I heard it once on the radio, yes a flurry of notes, whats the definition of "shred". ha...anyhow, it was like a fast flurry, to me was very out of place in the song. I'll listen again & shouldn't comment until I hear it in full.


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COMMENT | "I'll listen again & shouldn't comment until I hear it in full."
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:21:41 PM
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Good idea.

I really can't take seriously what you're saying on Chi-Dem with that, since you didn't even listened to it. If you were biased BEFORE listened to it, it would still be better than being biased without even listened to it more than one time like this on the radio. Listen to it again, you will see how much of a fool you look.

Sorry to say something like this since you seem cool but please don't talk about what you didn't even gave a chance.


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COMMENT | tisk tisk as usual
posted by : rous
12/15/2008 4:23:35 PM
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....."Izzy's records are to be judged through the spectrum of straight rnr, not pop commercial standards and a lot of americans happens to like them because it connects them with the rnr roots that are AMERICAN ONLY. But le.idiot is french so he doesn't stick his nose outside his smelly country.

Same with Slash. Unfortunately some people outside the anglosphere or simply outside the USA cannot understand the roots of american music."

You show your stupidity and ignorance more and more with each and every post.


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COMMENT | tisk tisk as usual
posted by : rous
12/15/2008 4:23:39 PM
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....."Izzy's records are to be judged through the spectrum of straight rnr, not pop commercial standards and a lot of americans happens to like them because it connects them with the rnr roots that are AMERICAN ONLY. But le.idiot is french so he doesn't stick his nose outside his smelly country.

Same with Slash. Unfortunately some people outside the anglosphere or simply outside the USA cannot understand the roots of american music."

You show your stupidity and ignorance more and more with each and every post.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 4:26:41 PM
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but I don't want to give it a chance, it just honestly sounded like music I instantly dislike. I'm sorry, yes, that might be shallow, but if you heard say a new crap song by...I don't know, Rod Stewart of something, or Reo Speedwagon, journey, that's what it was like to me, I was like "this is rubbish". Street of Dreams I'm talking about. I was instantly repelled, I know its not anything I'd like. I was a big VH fan, how many times do I have to listen to Dreams with Sammy to know "this is cheesy crap". that's how I felt with S.O.D. SOD!! perfect. no offense.


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COMMENT | hey le dieu
posted by : rous
12/15/2008 4:27:12 PM
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I thought you were a decent guy until I saw this:

"you will see how much of a fool you look.". Don't act like ass usual. we have enough of those on this forum.


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COMMENT | rous
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:29:28 PM
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I only said that because BSlash said that Street of dreams solo is shredding when clearly it isn't.

He just proves that he judged it before really listening to it and he says it himself.



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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:32:12 PM
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I understand that you can be repelled by a song but don,t talk about it if you heard it one time with a biased mind, because that solo isn't shredding but you were willing to tell it anyway, just because you picture Buckethead playing it, for example.

And there's a lot of song that i can be reppelled by but i'll never say that a solo is shredding when clearly, it is not. And i'll try to jugde the song for what it is, not with an image or preconception in my head.


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posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 4:32:35 PM
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I heard the solo. I heard the song about a 1/4 through. it was powerballadish, diappointing. If you want to slow it up, fine, but that's a challenge to slow it up & not sound cheesy. Slash's boy Scott does it well on STP's Sour girl for example...I guess Fall to Pieces is in the Powerballad vein, but for some reason works. Great solo in that Le Dieu, btw.


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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:34:48 PM
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You heard it one time and says it's shredding.

But it is not. You just can't make arguments with something that doesn't exist.


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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:39:42 PM
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"...I guess Fall to Pieces is in the Powerballad vein, but for some reason works."

And which reasons?? Way to contradict yourself. I'm about to be disgusted at what you're saying, things are based on nothing.


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COMMENT | shred heads
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 4:41:00 PM
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Sorry I used the wrong terminology, Shred or note flurries, sweep picking...ZZZ. come on, I heard it. I don't need to return to it to disect what type of technique he's using. SOD will end up on "ROCK POWER", "HI! I'm Wallii WhiteLion, you might remember me from such power rock ballads as "see the children play". Now you can have this & other ballads you banged your big haired stilleto heeled girl(hairmetal's real contribution) on this new Cd, you also get GnR's STreet of Dreams, Scorpion's Gorky Porky, and Poison's Every rose." that is where SOD belongs. Poor Axl. Slash would have steered him clear of this colossal mistake.


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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by : le.dieu
12/15/2008 4:44:03 PM
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No sweep picking on that solo.

I'm done with your ignorance.

Fall to pieces is as cheesy as anything else you name but because Slash's on it, you like it.

Pathetic.


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COMMENT | #1
posted by : BSlash24
12/15/2008 4:45:27 PM
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I'd never feel like a fool for my opinion on Blabbermouth, and I do so respectfully, #2, you tell me why Fall to pieces isn't a powerballad? Can't you tell? Maybe the vocals are less metalish? If you'd like I can analyze it, but I'm in no way contridicting myself. I'm not into Dance music, or hairmetal, but there were a song or 2 here & there I'd say "i like that one". that's not contridiction myself, I like what I like.


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